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crankin
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP1 ($52.94)
MP2 ($22.50)
MP3 ($94.19)
CO ($39)
Button ($57.41)
SB ($23.95)
BB ($20)
UTG ($54.30)
Hero ($55.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K icon_suit_spade.gif , K icon_suit_heart.gif . SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.5, 5 folds, Hero raises to $10, MP2 calls $5.50.

Flop: ($20.75) Q icon_suit_diamond.gif , 2 icon_suit_club.gif , 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ???

My feel for MP2's range was JJ-KK (gotta assume that AA would shove pre-flop) and maybe AK.

Aside from our flop action, would it be better (given MP2 has a short stack) to just push pre-flop instead of re-re-raise?
Scott3705
Push this preflop. He's way too short to get away from a hand like QQ, JJ or even maybe ak.
crankin
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 8:15 AM) *
Push this preflop. He's way too short to get away from a hand like QQ, JJ or even maybe ak.


That's my feeling as well. I think at the time I simply forgot to look at his stack size.

Any thoughts on what we do on the flop, given that we didn't push pre-flop?
Scott3705
QUOTE (crankin @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 5:22 AM) *
That's my feeling as well. I think at the time I simply forgot to look at his stack size.

Any thoughts on what we do on the flop, given that we didn't push pre-flop?

Probably just push. The flop killed you tho
bdc30
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 5:25 AM) *
Probably just push. The flop killed you tho


Why did the flop kill him? Do we put this guy on AA or QQ?
I'm pushing this every time.
He can't fold, no matter what he has, as most of
his money's already in the pot.
This is almost a dream flop for KK.
Hopefully he has AQ.
Scott3705
QUOTE (bdc30 @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 6:56 AM) *
Why did the flop kill him? Do we put this guy on AA or QQ?
I'm pushing this every time.
He can't fold, no matter what he has, as most of
his money's already in the pot.
This is almost a dream flop for KK.
Hopefully he has AQ.


I meant more in terms of either 1)putting him behind in the hand to one of the hands he was beating (QQ) 2) may have killed the action from other hands tha twould have called a preflop push, JJ 1010. (maybe he'll lay down ak on this board)
Relatively: we are now getting calls from better hands more often than preflop and more folds from worse hands than we were preflop.

Edit: also, some one who sits at these games w/ $20 can get away from this on the flop since it would be for "half his stack"
MasterLJ
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 6:15 AM) *
Push this preflop. He's way too short to get away from a hand like QQ, JJ or even maybe ak.


QFE.

Push-pre flop.

I had this scenario come up last night in the $50 6-max while holding QQ.

I'm in the BB with $120. Folds to button who limps. Button and SB have like $15. I've decided that I'm going to jam to any raise. Sure enough, SB raises to $3, I very quickly jam. Button folds, SB tanks... and calls with 44. Since hypothetically results don't matter, I hypothetically could have lost to a set on the flop... but hypothetically it only cost me $15.
DrZebrа
QUOTE (crankin @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 5:13 AM) *
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP1 ($52.94)
MP2 ($22.50)
MP3 ($94.19)
CO ($39)
Button ($57.41)
SB ($23.95)
BB ($20)
UTG ($54.30)
Hero ($55.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K icon_suit_spade.gif , K icon_suit_heart.gif . SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.5, 5 folds, Hero raises to $10, MP2 calls $5.50.

Flop: ($20.75) Q icon_suit_diamond.gif , 2 icon_suit_club.gif , 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ???

My feel for MP2's range was JJ-KK (gotta assume that AA would shove pre-flop) and maybe AK.

Aside from our flop action, would it be better (given MP2 has a short stack) to just push pre-flop instead of re-re-raise?


such an easy fold. all you have is one pair... he obviously has QQ.
Dratj
QUOTE (crankin @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 5:13 AM) *
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP1 ($52.94)
MP2 ($22.50)
MP3 ($94.19)
CO ($39)
Button ($57.41)
SB ($23.95)
BB ($20)
UTG ($54.30)
Hero ($55.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K icon_suit_spade.gif , K icon_suit_heart.gif . SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.5, 5 folds, Hero raises to $10, MP2 calls $5.50.

Flop: ($20.75) Q icon_suit_diamond.gif , 2 icon_suit_club.gif , 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ???

My feel for MP2's range was JJ-KK (gotta assume that AA would shove pre-flop) and maybe AK.

Aside from our flop action, would it be better (given MP2 has a short stack) to just push pre-flop instead of re-re-raise?


Push, i don't like the min reraise preflop.
The Nuts
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 9:15 AM) *
Push this preflop. He's way too short to get away from a hand like QQ, JJ or even maybe ak.


QFT
Scott3705
QUOTE (The Nuts @ Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 10:52 PM) *
QFT

i'm not familiar w/ the general abbreviations.
diamondhead
QUOTE (crankin @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 5:13 AM) *
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

MP1 ($52.94)
MP2 ($22.50)
MP3 ($94.19)
CO ($39)
Button ($57.41)
SB ($23.95)
BB ($20)
UTG ($54.30)
Hero ($55.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K icon_suit_spade.gif , K icon_suit_heart.gif . SB posts a blind of $0.25.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.5, 5 folds, Hero raises to $10, MP2 calls $5.50.

Flop: ($20.75) Q icon_suit_diamond.gif , 2 icon_suit_club.gif , 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (2 players)
Hero ???

My feel for MP2's range was JJ-KK (gotta assume that AA would shove pre-flop) and maybe AK.

Aside from our flop action, would it be better (given MP2 has a short stack) to just push pre-flop instead of re-re-raise?


I think your ahead here. You could push preflop but the fact that he didn't push allin preflop could probably rule out AA for him. Just push on this flop and hope he didn't get lucky with QQ or doesn't suck out on you. But i think pushing preflop is a good play.
The Nuts
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 10:06 AM) *
i'm not familiar w/ the general abbreviations.


Quoted For Truth.

On the topic of acronyms, what does FYP stand for on this forum?
crankin
QUOTE (The Nuts @ Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 10:30 AM) *
Quoted For Truth.

On the topic of acronyms, what does FYP stand for on this forum?


FYP == Fixed Your Post
XXEddie
QUOTE (Dratj @ Friday, May 12th, 2006, 12:17 PM) *
Push, i don't like the min reraise preflop.


hmmmm

raises from 1.5 to 4.5 is 3

raising from 4.5 to 10 is 5.5

since when does 5.5 = 3

oh thats right, it doesnt

a real min-raise would been to 7.5

stop sleeping in math class

or KY

whatever.

QUOTE (The Nuts @ Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 7:30 AM) *
Quoted For Truth.

On the topic of acronyms, what does FYP stand for on this forum?


I always assumed it stood for quit fuc.king talking
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