Ok, first of all I just started playint PLO last night, and am surely an Omaha Donkey. That being said, I read some strategy and sat down at .25 .25 PLO table. Right away I pick up a good starting hand flopping OE str8 draw and NFD. Dont remember exact starting hand, but it was double suited AKJT. I am in MP and it is a crowded pot so I bet my draw and got a couple folders, few callers and a guy who re-raise a couple bucks. pot is offering huge odds so I call. Turn makes my nut str8 checks around to me and i bet the pot. Re-raiser and i get it all in here and his trips do not improve. I double up and am off to a nice positive session.
Now for the questions.
1. I tried to stick to what the stragegy guide indicated as good starting hands, but found them very hard to come by. I was folding more hands than i do in holdem, and i am a pretty tight holdem player. Is this normal, and it is correct?
2. Since I did not find many starting hands, and I wanted to play I began to limp into pots with pots with just three cards that work to gether, or a pair with 2 more cards that worked with the pair. (90% of he pots were not raised pre flop.) Is this ok?
3. When playing these less than perfect starting hands I would play only if the flop hit me pretty hard, or the board had a low likely hood of hitting anyone. If I hit the nuts or best hand at that time I would jam the pot and generally get callers and my stack went up quickly. Is this correct, or am i losing value here? I am thinking that in Omaha I want as few callers in pot as possible.
4. Only one hand went realy bad with last strategy. I Jammed the pot on the turn with nut str8, and no flush draws out there. Board paired on the river and other guy who was already all in took nice pot.
Overall good session only one big pot lost, and nice profit. Any input is appreciated. Feel free to flame any bad though process. I realize good result may not reflect good play.
Thanks
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Starting hands aren't that important in PLO. I play around 50% of mine. Just look for hands that work well together. A hand like KJT7 is better to me than KJ33. PLO is more about postflop play. So limp upfront and raise in the back with your high pocket pairs and decent connecting cards. Don't overvalue aces upfront, because a 9754 can outplay you out of position. In general, I only potsize raise preflop to get position or I can get 75% of my stack in with aces. I'll minraise in the blinds with good starting hands that can overcome their position. This is usually in multiway pots though.
Come on Omaha gurus ... how about a litttle help for the new guy.
Play really tight OOP preflop. In position, you can play a few more hands. That's about all I can offer, as I've only been playing online for a couple weeks and I'm still a little bit of a donkey myself. (The live game I play is such a joke that the same strategies don't even really apply.)
QUOTE (Brisco @ Tuesday, May 9th, 2006, 8:32 AM) 
Now for the questions.
1. I tried to stick to what the stragegy guide indicated as good starting hands, but found them very hard to come by. I was folding more hands than i do in holdem, and i am a pretty tight holdem player. Is this normal, and it is correct?
What strategy guide are you using? Just curious. Playing really tight when just starting out is fine. As you gain more experience you'll be able to play more hands from more positions. As you progress, start adding in a few more hands from late position.
2. Since I did not find many starting hands, and I wanted to play I began to limp into pots with pots with just three cards that work to gether, or a pair with 2 more cards that worked with the pair. (90% of he pots were not raised pre flop.) Is this ok?
You generally shouldn't be playing hands with danglers. Once you get better post-flop you can start mixing in some of these hands from late position only. Playing a hand like AKJ7 from early position is a recipe for disaster. However, a hand like QQJ9 (the second type you described) is probably playable from any position for a decent player.
3. When playing these less than perfect starting hands I would play only if the flop hit me pretty hard, or the board had a low likely hood of hitting anyone. If I hit the nuts or best hand at that time I would jam the pot and generally get callers and my stack went up quickly. Is this correct, or am i losing value here? I am thinking that in Omaha I want as few callers in pot as possible.
If you're jamming with the nuts and getting calls, you're probably not losing value, lol. The more you play the better you will get at reading board texture and therefore you'll be better able to assess the strength of your hand. The key to this game is to play the big pots in position (where you can maximize your wins and minimize losses because you control the size of the pot) and to have re-draws to other nut hands. For instance, if you hold A
K 
J Q and the flop comes J 
T 
9 , you should be wary of jamming the pot even though you have the wrap because someone could be freerolling you with the same straight and a heart re-draw.
4. Only one hand went realy bad with last strategy. I Jammed the pot on the turn with nut str8, and no flush draws out there. Board paired on the river and other guy who was already all in took nice pot.
Lots of beats happen in Omaha. You obviously got the money in ahead which is all you can hope to do. Just realize that if someone flops a set in Omaha, they'll fill up by the river about 35% of the time. You probably priced him out, but he got lucky. No worries.
1. I tried to stick to what the stragegy guide indicated as good starting hands, but found them very hard to come by. I was folding more hands than i do in holdem, and i am a pretty tight holdem player. Is this normal, and it is correct?
What strategy guide are you using? Just curious. Playing really tight when just starting out is fine. As you gain more experience you'll be able to play more hands from more positions. As you progress, start adding in a few more hands from late position.
2. Since I did not find many starting hands, and I wanted to play I began to limp into pots with pots with just three cards that work to gether, or a pair with 2 more cards that worked with the pair. (90% of he pots were not raised pre flop.) Is this ok?
You generally shouldn't be playing hands with danglers. Once you get better post-flop you can start mixing in some of these hands from late position only. Playing a hand like AKJ7 from early position is a recipe for disaster. However, a hand like QQJ9 (the second type you described) is probably playable from any position for a decent player.
3. When playing these less than perfect starting hands I would play only if the flop hit me pretty hard, or the board had a low likely hood of hitting anyone. If I hit the nuts or best hand at that time I would jam the pot and generally get callers and my stack went up quickly. Is this correct, or am i losing value here? I am thinking that in Omaha I want as few callers in pot as possible.
If you're jamming with the nuts and getting calls, you're probably not losing value, lol. The more you play the better you will get at reading board texture and therefore you'll be better able to assess the strength of your hand. The key to this game is to play the big pots in position (where you can maximize your wins and minimize losses because you control the size of the pot) and to have re-draws to other nut hands. For instance, if you hold A
K J Q and the flop comes J T 9 , you should be wary of jamming the pot even though you have the wrap because someone could be freerolling you with the same straight and a heart re-draw.4. Only one hand went realy bad with last strategy. I Jammed the pot on the turn with nut str8, and no flush draws out there. Board paired on the river and other guy who was already all in took nice pot.
Lots of beats happen in Omaha. You obviously got the money in ahead which is all you can hope to do. Just realize that if someone flops a set in Omaha, they'll fill up by the river about 35% of the time. You probably priced him out, but he got lucky. No worries.
Search engine I found. www.omahastrategy.com
You generally shouldn't be playing hands with danglers. Once you get better post-flop you can start mixing in some of these hands from late position only.
I will drop those form the list excep late position.
you should be wary of jamming the pot even though you have the wrap because someone could be freerolling you with the same straight and a heart re-draw.
What is a wrap wrap = straight?
Thanks for the meaty reply!!!!1
You generally shouldn't be playing hands with danglers. Once you get better post-flop you can start mixing in some of these hands from late position only.
I will drop those form the list excep late position.
you should be wary of jamming the pot even though you have the wrap because someone could be freerolling you with the same straight and a heart re-draw.
What is a wrap wrap = straight?
Thanks for the meaty reply!!!!1
QUOTE (Brisco @ Wednesday, May 10th, 2006, 9:40 AM)
Search engine I found. www.omahastrategy.com
What is a wrap?
What is a wrap?
I didn't look around too thoroughly, but it looks like the starting hand guide there is for Omaha Hi-Lo and using that to play Omaha Hi would be umm...bad.
I've seen a wrap described several ways, but generally a wrap is a straight draw that has all possible nut straights covered or a draw that gives you more outs than a simple open-ended straight draw. So in my example, I would describe your hand as a wrap because no matter what card falls, you will have the best possible straight (note that a heart could still beat you and so could a card that pairs the board). Another example of a wrap straight draw is when you hold something like QJT9 and the flop is 983. Any 7, T, J, or Q will give you the nut straight. A good rule of thumb when playing Omaha is to only play a straight draw if you have a wrap because straights are so easily beaten in this game.
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