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Actuary
$20+2, 6 Man, Party STT.

1st: $72.
2nd: $48

5 handed

Stacks:

UTG: 4422
MP: 2905
Button: 1514
SB: 1135
BB (Me): 2024, JJ

Blinds 50/100

UTG raises to 300
folds to SB
SB pushes
I push.

I wanted to put maximum pressure on UTG,, is this correct thinking ?


I had moved in twice recntly, working up from 1000; but otherwise, had played quite tight (no cards)

UTG was playing very well, recently moving me off a 500 chip pot, and not making foolish plays, generally.
mmmikeySong
it's correct thinking IF you cannot outplay UTG postflop.


I'd push here

my reasons:
1) i'm on an energy run from redbull, randommmmmmmmmmmm
2) It's too hard to outplay him, you have to act first. Wth do you do if Q hits the board?
3) Because you probably cannout outplay him on the internet due to position and lack of REAL MAN sitting in front of you for reads, I'd push and put pressure on him. You want the WHOLE table to be afraid of you.

Pushing here also says:
Don't mess with my blinds! just fold them to me unless you wanna go all in - that said, when someone limps on the button, don't go all in preflop! lol.

It's stuff like that, you play your image. If you're hyper-aggressive, some hands become very obvious. Button limping w/KK or AA in hopes that you'll probably raise enough to be pot committed.
paulie72
QUOTE (Actuary @ Monday, May 1st, 2006, 9:48 AM) *
$20+2, 6 Man, Party STT.

1st: $72.
2nd: $48

5 handed

Stacks:

UTG: 4422
MP: 2905
Button: 1514
SB: 1135
BB (Me): 2024, JJ

Blinds 50/100

UTG raises to 300
folds to SB
SB pushes
I push.

I wanted to put maximum pressure on UTG,, is this correct thinking ?


I had moved in twice recntly, working up from 1000; but otherwise, had played quite tight (no cards)

UTG was playing very well, recently moving me off a 500 chip pot, and not making foolish plays, generally.


Lets take a look at the UTG raising hands in a 5 handed game, Id say it would look like: 88+,A8s+,KTs+,ATo+,KJo+

The only hands I see him actually call him your all-in with are AA, KK, QQ, AK
THis will happen in about 20% of the times and your equity will be 36%.

THe hands SB will move in with are quite libberaly because he has an M of about 7. Id say it will look like this: 55+,A6s+,KTs+,A9o+,KJo+
your equity will be 62%

now lets take a look at the two scenarios that can happen.

EV for both UTG and SB allin with u. The pot will be 5183 and u are expected to win 30% of it so u are expected to have 1554 in chips after this situation. (- 470)

EV for just u and the SB allin. The pot will be 2270 and u are expected to win 62% of it. wich will be 1407 + 889 = 2296 in chips after this situation. ( +272)

Since scenario 1 will happen 20% of the times and scenario 2 80% of the times, the EV of putting pressure on the UTG will be -(0,2 * 470) + (0,8 * 272) = -94 + 217= 123

So you can safely put pressure on UTG in my opinion
Rocketwadster
With those chip stacks, the only play for your hand if you decide to play those jacks there is to push (Note: I'm not saying that you can/should fold, but it is an option that some people may advocate). Just calling IMO would be terrible, so pushing is the only thing that makes sense. When you do push, you just have to hope that UTG didnt have a premium hand, nor wants to gamble too much (as you will have a much harder time winning against two opponents with hands like jacks than against a long opponent). icon_cool.gif
cubbybri
QUOTE (Rocketwadster @ Monday, May 1st, 2006, 5:50 PM) *
With those chip stacks, the only play for your hand if you decide to play those jacks there is to push (Note: I'm not saying that you can/should fold, but it is an option that some people may advocate). Just calling IMO would be terrible, so pushing is the only thing that makes sense. When you do push, you just have to hope that UTG didnt have a premium hand, nor wants to gamble too much (as you will have a much harder time winning against two opponents with hands like jacks than against a long opponent). icon_cool.gif



Seems most in agreement as I am as well.

Good play. If you're going to play, push.
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