9-handed on Stars, blinds are at 75-150 in one of the 180-man $4.40s. Average stack is in the low 4,000s.
3 folds, MP1 limps, MP2 raises to 499 and is All-In, 2 folds, and the SB raises to 3218 and is All-In.
You've got AQo in the BB, and you've got nearly 14,000 chips (2nd place) with about 65 players remaining.
MP1 (the limper) has 2,430 in chips and is covered by the SB, and he seemed to play in a relatively standard fashion, so I'm guessing this isn't some kind of limp move, and he will likely fold.
I almost never have these kinds of chipstacks at this point in time (perhaps it's some kind of flaw in my game). Should I still be looking to accumulate chips in situations like these, realizing that 14,000 is almost going to be the final 18 average stack? Or should I be waiting for an easier battle to pick?
[EDIT: Had no distinct read on SB, other than the moment two rounds earlier, it was folded to him, and he folded his SB. Otherwise, I hadn't noticed anything of note.]
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I'd gamble.
nice overlay
nice overlay
QUOTE (TheMathProf @ Sunday, April 30th, 2006, 11:52 PM) 
9-handed on Stars, blinds are at 75-150 in one of the 180-man $4.40s. Average stack is in the low 4,000s.
3 folds, MP1 limps, MP2 raises to 499 and is All-In, 2 folds, and the SB raises to 3218 and is All-In.
You've got AQo in the BB, and you've got nearly 14,000 chips (2nd place) with about 65 players remaining.
MP1 (the limper) has 2,430 in chips and is covered by the SB, and he seemed to play in a relatively standard fashion, so I'm guessing this isn't some kind of limp move, and he will likely fold.
I almost never have these kinds of chipstacks at this point in time (perhaps it's some kind of flaw in my game). Should I still be looking to accumulate chips in situations like these, realizing that 14,000 is almost going to be the final 18 average stack? Or should I be waiting for an easier battle to pick?
[EDIT: Had no distinct read on SB, other than the moment two rounds earlier, it was folded to him, and he folded his SB. Otherwise, I hadn't noticed anything of note.]
3 folds, MP1 limps, MP2 raises to 499 and is All-In, 2 folds, and the SB raises to 3218 and is All-In.
You've got AQo in the BB, and you've got nearly 14,000 chips (2nd place) with about 65 players remaining.
MP1 (the limper) has 2,430 in chips and is covered by the SB, and he seemed to play in a relatively standard fashion, so I'm guessing this isn't some kind of limp move, and he will likely fold.
I almost never have these kinds of chipstacks at this point in time (perhaps it's some kind of flaw in my game). Should I still be looking to accumulate chips in situations like these, realizing that 14,000 is almost going to be the final 18 average stack? Or should I be waiting for an easier battle to pick?
[EDIT: Had no distinct read on SB, other than the moment two rounds earlier, it was folded to him, and he folded his SB. Otherwise, I hadn't noticed anything of note.]
First lets take a look at the pot odds
It will cost u 3068 in a pot of 3867, wich makes it about 1.2 - 1 not that good.
Second what hands will SB move in with?
Id say 88+, AQo+, AJs+, KQs and thats about it unless MP2 is a maniac or something
Third what is my equity against those hands?
U have about a 40% edge against the hands SB would move in with so u are about a 1.5 to 1 dog against him and the pot is offering u 1.2 to 1.
In summary
No favorable pot odds, No specifick read on SB, AQo is just not that good, high risk reward I would fold.
However
there are stacksize theories that say u should gamble when u have a huge chipstack, but I am not sure if this is the right situation for it.
QUOTE (paulie72 @ Sunday, April 30th, 2006, 5:28 PM)
First lets take a look at the pot odds
It will cost u 3068 in a pot of 3867, wich makes it about 1.2 - 1 not that good.
Second what hands will SB move in with?
Id say 88+, AQo+, AJs+, KQs and thats about it unless MP2 is a maniac or something
Third what is my equity against those hands?
U have about a 40% edge against the hands SB would move in with so u are about a 1.5 to 1 dog against him and the pot is offering u 1.2 to 1.
In summary
No favorable pot odds, No specifick read on SB, AQo is just not that good, high risk reward I would fold.
However
there are stacksize theories that say u should gamble when u have a huge chipstack, but I am not sure if this is the right situation for it.
It will cost u 3068 in a pot of 3867, wich makes it about 1.2 - 1 not that good.
Second what hands will SB move in with?
Id say 88+, AQo+, AJs+, KQs and thats about it unless MP2 is a maniac or something
Third what is my equity against those hands?
U have about a 40% edge against the hands SB would move in with so u are about a 1.5 to 1 dog against him and the pot is offering u 1.2 to 1.
In summary
No favorable pot odds, No specifick read on SB, AQo is just not that good, high risk reward I would fold.
However
there are stacksize theories that say u should gamble when u have a huge chipstack, but I am not sure if this is the right situation for it.
I thought about a lot of what you said when I was deciding what to do with it, but MP2 having an M of only 2 doesn't really tell us anything about MP2's holdings.
I'm not gambling with A-Q in this spot. At best, I'm flipping coins with the SB.
I don't like A-Q. Since I've limited my play of this hand, I've seen my results improve dramatically.
I don't like A-Q. Since I've limited my play of this hand, I've seen my results improve dramatically.
I say you should fold and start waiting to find spots where you know your in better positon. Your big stack allows you to see more flops, but in this case all the money is going in preflop where you're pretty much guaranteed to be behind. Theres no reason why you shouldn't fold and wait till you have a better hand. Making calls like this with a bigstack is how people lose their bigstack.
I'd say this is a definite fold. When villian moves in for 20+ BB, he's almost always got a solid hand. With, we're behind any likely hand that villian could show us, as most players won't make this move without AK or a pocket pair.
In a large MTT, you might be able to make a reasonable argument that the benefit of having a larger stack is worth the gamble, but in a 180 person tourney, I'm not buying it. You need to just fold here and wait for a better spot. If you really want to gamble, you'd probably be better off just reraising trash hands to pick up fold equity than calling in this spot with AQ.
In a large MTT, you might be able to make a reasonable argument that the benefit of having a larger stack is worth the gamble, but in a 180 person tourney, I'm not buying it. You need to just fold here and wait for a better spot. If you really want to gamble, you'd probably be better off just reraising trash hands to pick up fold equity than calling in this spot with AQ.
QUOTE (TheMathProf @ Monday, May 1st, 2006, 3:02 AM)
I thought about a lot of what you said when I was deciding what to do with it, but MP2 having an M of only 2 doesn't really tell us anything about MP2's holdings.
Thats right, but I am talking about the SB, what hands will he isolate MP2 with for a profit?
So its not MP2 that got us worried but SB
dude, definite fold
you're 2nd place w/14000 and you're willing to risk 3500 w/AQO?!?!??!?!
If SB didn't make the re-raise to 3500, calling the 500 wouldn't be so bad - except that mp1 is acting behind you, so still fold it. You got bad position with 2 others (if mp1 calls instead of raising all in) to act behind you if you see the flop.
Now if your AQ is suited and you're pretty sure SB would make this move w/low pocketpair, and you're willing to gamble, and and and and and...
it wouldn't be that bad of a move. Why? You can risk the chips because you have more than enough for the 75/150 blinds. Winning here allows you to gain 4k, meaning you can risk more and PUSH people off hands more often. But AQo does not give you enough value.
I mean come on, you've invested 150 chips into a 4000 chip pot and you've still got mp1 acting behind you. Immediate lay down.
you're 2nd place w/14000 and you're willing to risk 3500 w/AQO?!?!??!?!
If SB didn't make the re-raise to 3500, calling the 500 wouldn't be so bad - except that mp1 is acting behind you, so still fold it. You got bad position with 2 others (if mp1 calls instead of raising all in) to act behind you if you see the flop.
Now if your AQ is suited and you're pretty sure SB would make this move w/low pocketpair, and you're willing to gamble, and and and and and...
it wouldn't be that bad of a move. Why? You can risk the chips because you have more than enough for the 75/150 blinds. Winning here allows you to gain 4k, meaning you can risk more and PUSH people off hands more often. But AQo does not give you enough value.
I mean come on, you've invested 150 chips into a 4000 chip pot and you've still got mp1 acting behind you. Immediate lay down.
Seems like a clear fold to me. Why risk about 1/4 of your large stack on a trouble hand like Ace - Queen against multiple opponents? Eliminating opponents at this stage of the game is not going to benefit you in any way (it is totally different as you get in the money). I agree that agression with a big stack is a great formula for sucess, but this is not a good spot for it. 
blah.
I"m wrong.
I don't think to clearly from work.
Also, no feel for MTT's, so I'm just posting to get a sense of how ignorant I am.
Pretty much so..yep...
I"m wrong.
I don't think to clearly from work.
Also, no feel for MTT's, so I'm just posting to get a sense of how ignorant I am.
Pretty much so..yep...
[quote name='mmmikeySong' date='Monday, May 1st, 2006, 3:20 AM' post='1037300']
dude, definite fold
If SB didn't make the re-raise to 3500, calling the 500 wouldn't be so bad - except that mp1 is acting behind you, so still fold it. You got bad position with 2 others (if mp1 calls instead of raising all in) to act behind you if you see the flop.
/quote]
If sb doesnt push you must play and raise to at least 1000 (1500 might be better) to show you are serious to the limper. Since sb did push it is a very easy fold. By the way, how do you do the quote thing. I cant figure it out.
dude, definite fold
If SB didn't make the re-raise to 3500, calling the 500 wouldn't be so bad - except that mp1 is acting behind you, so still fold it. You got bad position with 2 others (if mp1 calls instead of raising all in) to act behind you if you see the flop.
/quote]
If sb doesnt push you must play and raise to at least 1000 (1500 might be better) to show you are serious to the limper. Since sb did push it is a very easy fold. By the way, how do you do the quote thing. I cant figure it out.
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