Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FCP)

SB ($47.25)
BB ($17.90)
UTG ($61.15)
UTG+1 ($32.75)
Hero ($61.50)
MP1 ($49)
MP2 ($7.70)
MP3 ($13.70)
CO ($27.60)
Button ($69.95)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with 5 , 5 . SB posts a blind of $0.25.
2 folds, Hero calls $0.50, 3 folds, CO calls $0.50, Button calls $0.50, SB (poster) completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($2.50) Q , 5 , 9 (5 players)
SB bets $1, BB raises to $4, Hero calls $4, CO folds, Button folds, SB calls $3.

Turn: ($14.50) 3 (3 players)
SB checks, BB calls $13.40 (All-In), Hero folds, SB folds.

Final Pot: $27.90

Normally, I would re-raise on the flop, but I felt the SB was weak and wanted him along for the ride. I wasn't completely sure about the BB. Didn't figure him for the AQ or he'd have raised pre-flop. I figured he either had a KQ, QJ, or a draw of some sort.

Initially, I thought this was a good fold, as it seemed to me he likely had the flush (interpreting the flop raise as a means to protect his draw). However, now that I've thought about it a bit, I'm not sure. I'm getting 2:1 on my money, and I've got plenty of outs if he does have the flush.

So, how bad is this fold?

i'm paying him off here cuz I am not folding a set. you would think that if he had the flush he wouldn;t push like that. I call

I don't really get that. Wanted to give him a good price to call with his inside straight draw? Re-raise the flop.

I was thinking something more like top pair with a weak kicker. I figured anything that helped him, probably helped me more.

I don't think he's got the flush. I call.

I'm not slow-playing this flop, especially because two different opponents are betting at it. I still re-raise.

bad slow play preflop. You got money in the pot, attack it, plus therez alot of draws.

Fold turn? I dont like it at all.

Call. unlikely he has the flush. I dont' think villian would raise the turn with a flush draw. You still have 10 outs if he does. I call the 13 bucks.
I know you know but I would have reraised the flop. I don't want anyone drawing cheap.

Smash.

System.

Well which is it? The person who asked "give him a good price on his inside straight draw was probably poking fun at you because the only real draw out there is the flush draw.

You played this rather horribly.

The two items you quoted were about two different players in the hand. The first (about wanting him along for the ride) was about the SB. The second (about a range of hands) was regarding the BB, who pushed on the river. In any event, everybody does seem to agree that I botched this hand.

On a separate note, how do you tell the forum software to quote the entire post? I wanted to include the parts that you had quoted as well, but it only gave me your actual text, and not the other pieces.

Don't slow play with flush draw. You are ahead in this hand but not by so much you want somebody to catch up.

Only slow play when you can afford to give the card and you couldn't in this scenario. Limped pre-flop so opponents can easily have the two clubs.

gl

Normally, I would re-raise on the flop, but I felt the SB was weak and wanted him along for the ride.

How'd that work out?

good luck.

Easy call. Even with the chance he has a flush, you still have a redraw for a boat.

I hear this way, way, way too much. You should really FYP and say: "Easy call, we can still be a fish." We say redraw only if we have odds, i.e., there's a ton in the pot. You're getting a bit less than 4 to 1 on this call, and the odds are laying you a bit over 5 to 1. If you're sure he has the flush, fold.

That having been said, I don't think he has the flush, either. If he does, he does, variance. Hit the flop harder, it was too draw-heavy to "bring players along."

like everyone says...put the BB all in on the flop...one of the easier plays in NL is isolate the small stack...especially when you have a big hand like you did and the flop is draw heavy...

big mistake letting everyone limp in preflop you got to raise just to get the limpers out...also if i was him and i hit the flush im slow playing because i want to get as much money from you as i can he went all in 2 quick at best maybe 2pr but that was a bad lay down...a bad play from the start....

His overbet on the flop implies he has top pair and wants to chase out the draw. Therefore his turn all-in is probably an extension of that attempt to chase out that draw.

Put him all in on the flop is my advice as well. If you choose to play it the way you have posted, I'd call the all in on the turn. I feat the SB is more likely to have the flush draw than the raiser.

By just calling the raise, you're tempting the SB with a flush draw to call you with correct odds. The only way for your play to be profitable is if you had great reads on both players (putting them both on a Qx for example).

Don't slow play low trips when there is a flush draw, they aren't strong enough to let folks see free cards. Plus, they are disguised enough that your reraise will be misread.

bad advice.
limping with 55 is fine.
What, you want to HU OOP?
Or you just like blind stealing with 55?

I wish more good NL players would jump on this kind of crap.

or maybe I"m wrong....

Nah, you're right. People forget about position too much. If you raise with the likes of 55 OOP, it's a bet/fold on the flop unless you it trips or an OESD.

I raise with 55 when I'm first in early a lot of the time. I don't raise big, and I don't go on autopilot on the flop. Sometimes mucking 55 early is a good play. I just have a no open-limping policy.

A reasonable holding for BB here is a flopped two pair or AQ, perhaps with the nut flush draw. I would actually say these are more likely than a turned flush.

So, bad fold, unless you are certain that your opponent would bet this way only with a flush.

That's fine, and I prefer that scheme as well...I suppose your raise is smaller than if you held a premium hand, and more of a value-builder?


Doesn't really change what you should do on the flop though depending on what cards come out.

I just meant that to say limping is bad because you let in other limpers with 55, is silly to focus on.
Playing these for set vlaue in loose games makes sense to me.

Also, the "never limp" just seems to be a testosterone thing.
maybe not.

^ what he said. ^


Very donkish.

Agressive preflop tables...I dont open limp. Passive preflop tables - I limp 55 each and every time.

tru dat

No, I make a small raise with premium cards as well.