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XXEddie
.25/.50 NL

6 handed

Hero-29
Villain-36

Hero dealt Ks Ts

1 fold, Hero calls, 3 fold, SB(Villian) raise to 2.25, BB fold, Hero calls

Have position and a nice hand to see a flop with

flop Ah Qh Ad

Villain bets 2, Hero raises to 4, Villian calls

I had used this play earlier and it had been working. I didnt think he'd bet an A so I tryed min-raising to "price him in" so I can bluff the turn and hopefully make him fold

turn Jh

Villain bets 4, Hero calls

interesting turn, puts the flush out there, I decided just to call, didnt wanna get in too deep

River Qs

Horrible/good river. If he has an A or Q, he has me now, but if he has the flush I wont lose any more money

Villian checks

I dont see what I can beat here, maybe I could try to force him off a flush decide not to

Hero checks

Villian shows (? ?) bonus point if you guess it
nomad_monad
QUOTE (XXEddie @ Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 3:51 PM) *
Villian shows (? ?) bonus point if you guess it


KK with the K of hearts
gooch
KT of clubs?
godoffrisbee
I think he has A7, and is afraid of the flush/straight possibilities. I think we should bet here because the only thing that will raise us is a boat, and he will just call with a flush or straight, so we won't really "lose" any money per say.
XXEddie
how bout some hand analysis also
nomad_monad
QUOTE (XXEddie @ Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 4:17 PM) *
how bout some hand analysis also


i think it's fine

if stacks were deeper i would probably pop the turn - the villain looks like he's trying to buy a cheap draw/showdown. if not, at least it gets us better hand definition to stop the hand right there. as it stands, any reasonable turn raise will commit you to a pretty scary board so i'd just do what you did.

the only thing i might change is that instead of minraising his flop bet, i might just call and then raise the turn, assuming he either checks the turn or leads weak like he did. with the board that's there, a smooth call is likely to slow down the villain for the purposes of moving him off the pot just as much as any raise is. assuming you did that, since both the pot and his weak lead should be smaller, you can raise the turn without committing yourself to calling any sort of re-raise or river push (i.e. if he leads 3, you pop to 10, and he pushes the turn or river, you're getting only something like 2.8-1 to call).
offset
Much better to raise than limp preflop. Your tricky little min raise flop, bet the turn play has to work over half the time to break even. At 50nl this is chip spewing overkill. If you want to push him out raise to 6-8$ or call and bet the turn, but be sure he will fold if he doesn't have anything.
XXEddie
QUOTE (offset @ Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 4:32 PM) *
Much better to raise than limp preflop. Your tricky little min raise flop, bet the turn play has to work over half the time to break even. At 50nl this is chip spewing overkill. If you want to push him out raise to 6-8$ or call and bet the turn, but be sure he will fold if he doesn't have anything.


Normally I would but potraiser seems to be a "flop-lover" site where there seemed to be 3-4 people per pot limped
MasterLJ
QUOTE (offset @ Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 5:32 PM) *
Much better to raise than limp preflop. Your tricky little min raise flop, bet the turn play has to work over half the time to break even. At 50nl this is chip spewing overkill. If you want to push him out raise to 6-8$ or call and bet the turn, but be sure he will fold if he doesn't have anything.


I disagree about raising being better than limping at 0.25/0.50. KT is an awful hand with so-so draw potential. Your opponents suck and make a lot of mistakes post-flop so your goal should be to see the flop as cheaply as possible and capitalize on their mistakes (unless of course you have a strong hand pf).
offset
QUOTE (MasterLJ @ Monday, May 1st, 2006, 5:02 PM) *
I disagree about raising being better than limping at 0.25/0.50. KT is an awful hand with so-so draw potential. Your opponents suck and make a lot of mistakes post-flop so your goal should be to see the flop as cheaply as possible and capitalize on their mistakes (unless of course you have a strong hand pf).


I guess I spoke too soon. You're right. It is table dependent. At a super loose passive table I am also limping, but I don't know if I'm calling the sb's raise w/o a read.
cu in 4years Dan
QUOTE (XXEddie @ Thursday, April 27th, 2006, 2:51 PM) *
.25/.50 NL

6 handed

Hero-29
Villain-36

Hero dealt Ks Ts

1 fold, Hero calls, 3 fold, SB(Villian) raise to 2.25, BB fold, Hero calls

Have position and a nice hand to see a flop with

flop Ah Qh Ad

Villain bets 2, Hero raises to 4, Villian calls

I had used this play earlier and it had been working. I didnt think he'd bet an A so I tryed min-raising to "price him in" so I can bluff the turn and hopefully make him fold

turn Jh

Villain bets 4, Hero calls

interesting turn, puts the flush out there, I decided just to call, didnt wanna get in too deep

River Qs

Horrible/good river. If he has an A or Q, he has me now, but if he has the flush I wont lose any more money

Villian checks

I dont see what I can beat here, maybe I could try to force him off a flush decide not to

Hero checks

Villian shows (? ?) bonus point if you guess it

shotgun that he has a Q
gavindagr8
Pocket Jacks
anyone1
kj
XXEddie
QUOTE (anyone1 @ Tuesday, May 2nd, 2006, 8:34 AM) *
kj


yeah

no heart either
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