If I call on the flop, and the board dosen't pair on the turn, am I committed to my draw?


Ultimate Bet Pot-Limit Omaha High, $.25 BB (9 handed) Hand History Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: FlopTurnRiver)

Hero ($49.55)
UTG ($6.30)
UTG+1 ($29.35)
MP1 ($19.25)
MP2 ($27.45)
MP3 ($12.40)
CO ($9.55)
Button ($19.05)
SB ($24.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with A, 7, K, J.
UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 raises to $1.1, 1 fold, MP3 calls $1.10, 1 fold, Button calls $1.10, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.85, UTG+1 calls $0.85.

Flop: ($5.60) 9, Q, 3 (6 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $5.6, MP3 calls $5.60, Button calls $5.60, Hero calls ???

If the board pairs on the turn it is so easy to get out. I like to lead the flop here to get a feeling where I stand. Even then you aren't committed, because if someone comes over the top you can almost be certain they have 99 or QQ in the hole. They might be going crazy with a straight and a low flush draw, but most of the time they will have a set. Then you can safely fold the turn to any action.

You've got 12 nut outs, getting 4-1. Call, reevaluate on the turn.

Actually, he only has 11 nut outs (don't count the 3 of clubs, and don't count the 10 of clubs twice). But your line of play is correct.

if you like to gamble, the other play is to try and get all your money in there on the flop and hope you get a couple callers, that way if a club comes you win their entire stacks. typically if a club falls on the turn your action will be pretty much dead, unless someone tries to make the FH. if the board pairs on the river then you have a chunk of your cash in there but are most likely dead. So I like just calling the turn, but if I'm running well or have a big stack ill push here and hopefully get all of their money. Nothing worse than hitting your flush and have all the sets and straights fold to you.

Upon looking back at the stack sizes i think the correct decision here is to re raise it all, if you lose oh well you can make it back and you still have $30 but would be a nice pot if a club falls. at these levels when the scare flush card comes it's always check/fold, so i like to get them committed in advance if i am paired or have a str8 draw with my flush draw. and although unlikely, there is always the possibility to scoop it right here if the only set is bottom/middle and they are tight players.

Skribe makes a good point. Raising all in is certainly a viable play. But you have to remember that your chance of having the nuts by the river is only about 30% [if you replace the 7 with a 10, it would be almost 50%!], and you probably won't get all three opponents calling all in on the flop. Also, at these limits, I don't think it is too neccessary to worry about not getting paid off if you make your flush, especially given the stack sizes, which almost give a set odds to call the turn anyway. And of course, you will see people calling with nonnut flushes and straights all the time here.

You're behind with a nut straight and nut flush draw.


Why do you need to lead the flop to know this?

If you lead you will often take the pot right there. If someone raises you can be pretty sure that they have a set since you already have the nut flush draw.

Perhaps if you lead you can blow the preflop raiser out. But if he's made a set of queens, you're going to get bad odds to call a big reraise.

If he reraises you still have good implied odds, especially with that gunshot.

This hand is nowhere near strong enough to lead into five opponents. If it was checked to you in late position, or if you replace the 7 with the 10 you were hiding up your sleeve, betting would be fine, but as it is, check/call is right imo.

I disagree. Why assume your opponent will pay you off if the flush or straight card comes and the board doesn't pair?

A good percentage of the time you will take the pot down right here. If anyone has a set they will let you know about it. However, I don't know the exact odds, but isn't it more likely that no one has a set then they do?

I just meant that I disagree that you have good implied odds to call a reraise.