Three limpers and I raise on button with AQ, the q being of clubs.

The flops is 4c, tc, 3d

They check to me and I bet, two calls and the third limper checkraises I call as does everyone else.

The turn is 4h

Two checks and the checkraisiers bets, I fold.

game is semi loose and passive

the checkraiser seems tight and aggressive, i have no idea if he is good or not yet.

fold. he's not c/r 3 people on a bluff. the best you can hope for is 6 outs to improve, you're not closing the action and those 6 outs could be dirty. plus you could be drawing dead.

Yeah a fold is good here. You're not closing the action and are drawing to really dirty outs, have rio, etc.

Yeah, you have to fold. Mathematics shouldn't control your entire game. If a guy is check-raising the flop and turn and the game is as loose as you say it is, it's time to lay your hand down.

don't bet this flop - just because you raised preflop does not mean you auto-bet with no draw against 3 players

flop bet good.

You don't have to 100%, but in a loose game, you have best hand (or they missed enough) a lot and can take it down well more than 1/10 times.

Danny's being results oriented, don't mind him.

I like the whole hand.

I tend to focus on the results when I'm talking about my money...

are u suggesting the flop bet is no good as well?
or just that results analysis is valid?
or just making jokes?

thanks.

Well, it's pretty orthodox to bet here, but Danny suggests otherwise...nobody's folding with any piece or a draw. With 4 in the pot with you, you probably dont have the best hand. Check, hoping spike something on the turn, which probably will make a good hand.

ok..I'll consider.

Maybe I'm too tight and think about the hands I"d fold if bet again.
Like 55-88.

I'm not good at Equity or trying to give good estimates, but I would think in a pot this size we could increase our chances to win by betting now.
I would shut down on turn if we get two+ callers though

im not being results-oriented, just willing to check behind (acting last) if i completely whiff on the flop and will likely not be able to get folds.

its read-dependent of course, if there's any chance you can get some folds here, then do so, but in my experience you will get 0-1.

keep in mind we don't know the turn is going to be a 4, which is a great card for us.

no way? Really? On this raggy flop?

man, you get no respect at the tables

QFT

depends on the site and limit though. at Absolute 1/2 i'd expect two folds, but at Party 2/4 i'd expect 0.

whats our plan for a ragged turn?

check behind unless HU,
if HU, bet against loose passives and take free SD.
chk behind tights or trickies.

you know, Limit is too stressful.

For what its worth, I had the best hand on every single street. Nobody had a pair until the river, when the qj hit his pair to win it. The checkraiser had a7s of the appropriate suite. He loved to semi bluf so much had this happend maybe 20 hands latter I would have three bet him.

I did think the flop bet might have been a little iffy, but if its good or if checking is good i think its close.

If I had checked behind, he would have bet the turn, do you think that would have been a call (remember I didnt know about his tendency to semi bluff until later)?