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antistuff
you all told me i go to showdown too much. i think i found where. i bet bet check with under pairs and unimproved overcards way too much when there is a good chance im beat.


villian is like 35/6/.85
folds to villian in co who raises
i three bet on button

flop(7.5 sb)
4d, ac, jh

villian checks
i bet
villian calls

turn(4.25bb)
3s

villian checks
i check

river(4.25bb)
8c

villian bets
i raise
villian calls

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villian is 26/17/2, but over an incredibly small range

folds to villian in mp2 who raises
i three bet from co

everyone else folds

flop Tc, Js, 2s

he checks i bet he calls

turn qc
he checks i check

river 2d
he checks i check
what do you think if he bets the river?
Zach6668
Hand 1:

Looks good. Are you calling a river bet UI?



Hand 2:

I think I'm betting the river once I'm checked to.




- Zach
antistuff
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Wednesday, April 19th, 2006, 1:50 PM) *
Hand 1:

Looks good. Are you calling a river bet UI?


A week ago I would have. Now I look at the pot size, think about my opponent, and refuse to let myself be value bet by a fish here.


QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Wednesday, April 19th, 2006, 1:50 PM) *
Hand 2:
I think I'm betting the river once I'm checked to.
- Zach

Eh. The only hands he is calling with that I beat are small pairs. He is also never folding a better hand.

And I think my question about the river on this hand was stupid, its an easy fold if he bets.
Wingmaster05
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Wednesday, April 19th, 2006, 1:50 PM) *
Hand 1:

Looks good. Are you calling a river bet UI?
Hand 2:
I fold

I think I'm betting the river once I'm checked to.
- Zach

No, i don't expect enough duece's or ace high to call in this pot.
pokerplayer24
Hand one bet the turn. You might fold 1010 or 99 and it sucks giving a hand like KQ which has 10 outs a free card. This type of opponent isnt going to bluff with a checkraise so the hand is easy to play.

Also checking and folding the river UI would suck.


Hand 2 I bet the turn. Sure the board sucks but he can have all sorts of nonsense. Sucks Giving Kx or Ax a free card.
antistuff
QUOTE (pokerplayer24 @ Wednesday, April 19th, 2006, 9:57 PM) *
Hand one bet the turn. You might fold 1010 or 99 and it sucks giving a hand like KQ which has 10 outs a free card. This type of opponent isnt going to bluff with a checkraise so the hand is easy to play.

Also checking and folding the river UI would suck.
Hand 2 I bet the turn. Sure the board sucks but he can have all sorts of nonsense. Sucks Giving Kx or Ax a free card.


How bad can giving free cards really be in pots this small when we are behind a pretty good precent of the time?
cdddc75
anyone else fold both hands to the preflop raises?

i want 88 in a cheap multiway pot, not in an expensive HU pot.
amarillotg
QUOTE (cdddc75 @ Thursday, April 20th, 2006, 10:22 AM) *
anyone else fold both hands to the preflop raises?

i want 88 in a cheap multiway pot, not in an expensive HU pot.


88 is way to strong to fold, especially to lp open raises. calling sucks because you're giving the blinds a good price to come in and mid pp's don't fair well multi-way.

raising isolates the initial raiser, gives you a ton of fold equity.

pretty standard raise imo.
Zach6668
QUOTE (amarillotg @ Thursday, April 20th, 2006, 12:04 PM) *
88 is way to strong to fold, especially to lp open raises. calling sucks because you're giving the blinds a good price to come in and mid pp's don't fair well multi-way.

raising isolates the initial raiser, gives you a ton of fold equity.

pretty standard raise imo.


Plus we have the button... I looooove the button...
Actuary
Playing 88 here depends on the raiser.
The stats of these two indicate either loose or lag enough to make the 3-bet correct.

Some players I'd fold against.

Calling would not be good.

I was thinking to Bet/Fold both turns as well
antistuff
QUOTE (Actuary @ Thursday, April 20th, 2006, 2:05 PM) *
Playing 88 here depends on the raiser.
The stats of these two indicate either loose or lag enough to make the 3-bet correct.

Some players I'd fold against.

Calling would not be good.

I was thinking to Bet/Fold both turns as well


Why? To get him to fold better hands or to call with worse?
Actuary
QUOTE (antistuff @ Friday, April 21st, 2006, 1:37 AM) *
Why? To get him to fold better hands or to call with worse?


I was on auto-pilot.
I have no idea why... It's probably wrong.

Limit is hard.
Actuary
ok...
Han1: Betting turn: May fold a better PP, charge Kx. Easy fold if raised. Take free SD.

Hand 2: W/o an ace, he has a tough call to make. Also, you have no SD value, so I'd like to get a better hand to fold here.

as played, river is easy fold if he bets
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