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Zach6668
I have KK in the BB.

There's like 6-8 limpers, I pop it. Calls around to MP who 3-bets it. This gets a couple folds, but we end up 6 handed to the flop, after I cap it.

The flop comes Ace high. I bet, one caller, MP raises, folds to hero, Hero ??

Let me add, villain has an enourmous LRR range. He's a retard and this table has been consistently about 6 to the flop, most of them being capped.

This is an easy call down, given the size of the pot, right?

- Zach
antistuff
If you reraise will what will the caller on the flop fold? Can you get him to fold a weak ace? Even if your read on the villian as a lag is right, that caller annoys me in this hand.
screech
Hey Zach,

Could you put the number of bets in after the pf action?

I think you should have checked the flop. With 6 opponents, someone has gotta have an ace. Looks like the pot will be offering you the odds to call the turn too, but you may have to fold the river UI depending on what opponents are left.
greatwhite
With 6 opponents and the pot this big, someone has an ace and they probablly aren't folding it. Check-call on this flop for 1 bet.
davezz5
It would depend on the context of the flop in relation to your hand. I think you are getting the pot odds to draw to your 2 outs, but without knowing the exact amount its hard to be sure. Obviously its only relevant if a K would give you the nuts. Refer to my initial sentence. I assumed someone held an ace.
Zach6668
Ok, more details.

It was actually 5 to the flop, so 20 SB + about 3 SB in dead money in there who folded after putting one bet in.

So after the flop the pot is 23 SB.

Let me tell you that no player in this game is folding a weak ace.

After I lead, there is one caller, and then the guy who LRR'ed raises, and it folds to me, so we are 3 handed now. There is 27 SB in the pot when it's back to me.

The flop was very uncoordinated, btw. A J 3 or something like that, rainbow.

I should call flop since it's 27-1. On the turn, assuming I check, and the raiser bets, I'd be getting 14.5-1 to call. I'd be forced to fold the turn, no? Or at least the river UI?

I'm going to spoil this because it's more of a tilt post anyways. I actually folded to the raise on the flop out of tilt factor. After I folded I realized it was against the odds, but no King came on the turn, so for this particular hand it was ok. The part that hurt me was that I folded the winner. The LRR ended up having QJo and I never saw the other guy's cards. I folded the winner in a huge pot and that made the difference between a nice winning session and a break even session.

- Zach
Actuary
c/c flop.

you can call 2 back if still enough others in hand.... espcially if board uncoordinated and you win with Set of K's almost always. { I was typing before you gave flop cards}

as is, you have to call the flop raise, of course... 28:1.

Turn: I'd fold UI. Unless you are HU with the guy you say is crazy
screech
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Friday, April 14th, 2006, 9:32 AM) *
Ok, more details.

It was actually 5 to the flop, so 20 SB + about 3 SB in dead money in there who folded after putting one bet in.

So after the flop the pot is 23 SB.

Let me tell you that no player in this game is folding a weak ace.

After I lead, there is one caller, and then the guy who LRR'ed raises, and it folds to me, so we are 3 handed now. There is 27 SB in the pot when it's back to me.

The flop was very uncoordinated, btw. A J 3 or something like that, rainbow.

I should call flop since it's 27-1. On the turn, assuming I check, and the raiser bets, I'd be getting 14.5-1 to call. I'd be forced to fold the turn, no? Or at least the river UI?

I'm going to spoil this because it's more of a tilt post anyways. I actually folded to the raise on the flop out of tilt factor. After I folded I realized it was against the odds, but no King came on the turn, so for this particular hand it was ok. The part that hurt me was that I folded the winner. The LRR ended up having QJo and I never saw the other guy's cards. I folded the winner in a huge pot and that made the difference between a nice winning session and a break even session.

- Zach


If he's dumb enough to raise QJo on the flop, then you should call him down. biggrin.gif

Getting about 14:1 on teh turn after rake, you should fold UI. The reason being that even if you hit the king it's not the nuts. Someone could have QT or AA. AK may also be out there given pf action. So really, I would estimate your outs at around 1.6.
Zach6668
QUOTE (screech @ Friday, April 14th, 2006, 1:17 PM) *
If he's dumb enough to raise QJo on the flop, then you should call him down. biggrin.gif

Getting about 14:1 on teh turn after rake, you should fold UI. The reason being that even if you hit the king it's not the nuts. Someone could have QT or AA. AK may also be out there given pf action. So really, I would estimate your outs at around 1.6.

Ok, good. I don't feel as bad now.

Except that it got checked down after I tilt-folded the flop... hahaha... ISAP.
screech
QUOTE (Zach6668 @ Friday, April 14th, 2006, 10:23 AM) *
Ok, good. I don't feel as bad now.

Except that it got checked down after I tilt-folded the flop... hahaha... ISAP.


Ah. At least you learn from your mistakes.
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