7 Card Stud High ($1/$2), Ante $0.10, Bring-In $0.50

3rd Street - (0.70 SB)



I show villian as LPA think I donked this one up so help me out. What is your line?


Seat 1: xx xx 9h___folds
Hero: Qd Ad 3c___brings-in
Seat 3: xx xx 6h___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Jd___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9c___calls
Seat 6: xx xx 3d___folds
Seat 7: xx xx Ah___calls

4th Street - (3.20 SB)

Hero: Qd Ad 3c 8d___checks___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 6h 7s___checks___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Jd Td___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9c Jc___bets
Seat 7: xx xx Ah 9d___checks___folds

5th Street - (3.60 BB)

Hero: Qd Ad 3c 8d 6d___bets
Seat 3: xx xx 6h 7s 7h___checks___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Jd Td 5c___checks___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9c Jc 3h___checks___calls

6th Street - (7.60 BB)

Hero: Qd Ad 3c 8d 6d 2c___calls___calls
Seat 3: xx xx 6h 7s 7h Kc___raises
Seat 4: xx xx Jd Td 5c 5d___calls
Seat 5: xx xx 9c Jc 3h Js___bets___calls

River - (15.60 BB)

Hero: Qd Ad 3c 8d 6d 2c 6c___folds
Seat 3: xx xx 6h 7s 7h Kc xx___calls
Seat 4: xx xx Jd Td 5c 5d xx___folds
Seat 5: xx xx 9c Jc 3h Js xx___bets

Total pot: (17.60 BB)

To be honest..I fold this on fourth street. There are four dead diamonds...so for your flush draw you are chasing two diamonds of only six remaining (13 total - 4 dead + your 3 = 6 remaining)..and there is a dead Ace and you very likely won't win with just one big pair...so you seem to be drawing to a semi-dead runner runner flush or a running two pair....and even that may not be good enough..and all this is an unraised pot on third street....meaning the pot isn't really too big on 4th street...which is where I muck this hand. IF you had been up against just one opponent and thought you could bluff him out if you caught a scare card (such as the diamond you caught on 5th street) then I think you can go for that play...but in this pot you won't win with a bluff/semi-bluff...as someone will very likely call you down...and too many of your outs are gone, IMO.

Muck on 4th.

I agree with koop. Muck on 4th. But since you are willing to admit you donked it up... we'll continue.

6th street is pretty bad. A guy with JJ showing bets. You call after catching a horrible 2 and with another opponent showing a pair behind you. For sure you are up against at least one opponent with two pair or better. You have then submitted yourself to having to catch a diamond on the river and as koop eloquently pointed out... that draw was pretty much dead (5 left before the river).

I know it can be hard folding a draw to the nut flush in a big multiway pot, but if you have been keeping track of the diamonds you know your outs are limited. You're playing against some serious donks. Remember that and remember you can find much better places to get your money in.

Fold on 4th... if you don't, for sure fold on 6th... if you don't, for sure fold to the reraise...

James

I know it's a fold on 4th, but I'm sometimes tempted to see 5th for one small bet in a multiway. 6th here is an easy fold though. 5 dead outs, and one card coming. Assuming I called on 4th, I would have checked 5th closing the action as well.

I would have gotten out of the hand very early, if not on fourth street then definately on 5th, despite the improvement on 5th to a flush draw (even if you make your long-shot flush you could lose to the possible full house).

Ummm...we're offered a free card on 5th. where do you find a fold?

had there been a bet, I certainly wouldnt have called it, AND I don't think I would have bet there...

Bah, I think 4th street is OK here. In addition to the diamond draw you have two overs to the board, and in a low-limit game like this you're probably up against no worse than a pair of jacks.

Your draw's too weak to be worth a value bet on 5th though with all the dead diamonds, and at this level, your chances of winning without a showdown are pretty much nil.

As for 6th, I doubt anyone's boated up yet, but that's certainly a possibility, and the possibilty that they'll get there on the river amplifies anything. I think you have to count your five outs as about 2.5 or 3. That leaves you with almost exactly the right odds, so I don't think it matters much either way whether you call or fold.

If you'd checked behind on 5th instead of bloating the pot however, I think 6th would be a definite fold.

thanks guys, I agree 100% looking at the hand history, I just get caught up when you get a table full of maniacs.

Well..you made one possible mistake during your poker playing...so it's too late. You are now considered a donk at poker forever. Good luck, fish.




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It happens.

I don't necessarily mind taking a card off and calling on 4th street with two overcards at a loose, low limit table. There's no way I'm calling a big bet on 5th street though with all those dead diamonds. So, if not folding on 4th street, definitely folding on 5th.
At first I was thinking if you do want to play the hand, check raising to try and get heads up would be better than calling, but it doesn't seem like you could get heads up here at this table even with the opponents facing 2 bets cold.