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krup24
Texas Hold'em $1-$1 NL (Real Money), #353,778,805

Seat 1: BB ($140.90 in chips)
Seat 2: UTG ($56.05 in chips)
Seat 4: UTG+1 ($25 in chips)
Seat 6: MP1 ($45.30 in chips)
Seat 7: MP2 ($100.20 in chips)
Seat 8: krupnugz ($119.50 in chips) Button
Seat 9: SB ($79 in chips)

krupnugz is Button (T icon_suit_spade.gif ,J icon_suit_spade.gif )

PRE-FLOP
2 folds UTG+1 calls $1, MP1 calls $1, MP2 bets $4, krupnugz calls $4, 3 folds, MP1 calls $3.

FLOP [8 icon_suit_spade.gif ,2 icon_suit_diamond.gif ,9 icon_suit_spade.gif] (3 Players) (Pot $15.50)
MP1 checks, MP2 bets $12, krupnugz calls $12, MP1 folds.

TURN [4 icon_suit_heart.gif] (Pot $39.50) (2 Players)
MP2 bets $24, krupnugz calls $24.

RIVER [7 icon_suit_diamond.gif]

This is pretty out of line for me. I typically push the flop all day long. MP2 was a solid player pretty TAG but I really like being in position. After I smooth called the flop and bricked the turn I decided to smooth call again gettin close to 3-1. I don't know I guess I'm second guessing the flop smooth and turn smooth calls.
GoCryWolfe
Especially in the position you are in at the table, I am raising this flop all day long. Raising to at least $30, more likely $35. Then checking the turn.

However, you played the turn right considering the way you played the flop.
Frinkenstein
I'm not a big fan of the pre-flop call with TJs.

Otherwise, I guess it seems ok.
GoCryWolfe
QUOTE (Frinkenstein @ Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 6:24 PM) *
I'm not a big fan of the pre-flop call with TJs.

Otherwise, I guess it seems ok.


Well he is getting nearly 2-1 even before MP1 calls the raise. And the O.R. has a good stack size for this hand to pay off when it hits.
AceyDeucy
Generally, I like the play, especially as a little spice to your normal approach. You were correct not to get out of character on the turn.

The other thing this play will do for you is really burn the guy into remembering "this guy will chase." Now, your normal draw play (bet out) is more profitable, because he will misread you, AND you have the opportunity to get seriously paid off when you flop huge by smooth-calling.

Remember, hands like this REALLY irk TAG players, who want to flop the best hand and shove you out of the pot. It's not just that this worked out for you, it's that this hand will stand out like Shaq in Tokyo in the mind of your opponent, because this is EXACTLY what he hates.

Obviously, I would not make a habit of the "call down to chase" but since you hit so many big draws, you can afford to be a little creative here and play for a monster pot.
jdavidfix
QUOTE
After I smooth called the flop and bricked the turn I decided to smooth call again gettin better than 3-1.


Perhaps I am missing something, but I think your math is off. There is $15.50 in the pot preflop. MP2 bets $12 and you call, meaning there is $39.50 in the pot going to the turn. MP2 bets $24 on the turn. Therefore, you have to call $24 to win $63.50, which lays you just better than 2.64-1 pot odds going to the river.
CobaltBlue
If your competent opponents know that you always raise with big draws, this is a good way to mix things up. You've added deception in that they won't put you on a draw in this spot. Basically, it's a similar principle to why you sometimes bet out with draws, sometimes check-raise with them, and sometimes just call with them in the blinds.

If I had to figure out my percentages on big draws from the blinds, I'd say that I bet out 60% of the time, check-raise 30% of the time, and just call 10% of the time. I'm not sure if those are ideal percentages.
krup24
QUOTE (GoCryWolfe @ Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 6:21 PM) *
Especially in the position you are in at the table, I am raising this flop all day long. Raising to at least $30, more likely $35. Then checking the turn.

However, you played the turn right considering the way you played the flop.



Yes typically I raise this flop all day long as well. I actually posted a hand here a few weeks ago where I pushed postflop with OESFD and was called and also hit the river.

Remember I'm giving MP2 credit for a really strong hand. Possibly a set of 9s.



QUOTE (Frinkenstein @ Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 6:24 PM) *
I'm not a big fan of the pre-flop call with TJs.

Otherwise, I guess it seems ok.



7 Handed on the button and this raise was basically the minimum opener for the table. I call this all day long.

QUOTE (AceyDeucy @ Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 8:16 PM) *
Generally, I like the play, especially as a little spice to your normal approach. You were correct not to get out of character on the turn.

The other thing this play will do for you is really burn the guy into remembering "this guy will chase." Now, your normal draw play (bet out) is more profitable, because he will misread you, AND you have the opportunity to get seriously paid off when you flop huge by smooth-calling.

Remember, hands like this REALLY irk TAG players, who want to flop the best hand and shove you out of the pot. It's not just that this worked out for you, it's that this hand will stand out like Shaq in Tokyo in the mind of your opponent, because this is EXACTLY what he hates.

Obviously, I would not make a habit of the "call down to chase" but since you hit so many big draws, you can afford to be a little creative here and play for a monster pot.


Yes this is totally out of character for me and I have sat with this player before so he kinda has a read on me I would assume. So I did choose to mix it up.

This guy just had KK cracked by a double belly buster and then the player who hit ran took his money and left so I think he may have been a little irked already. And yes I felt if I hit I was gettin paid.

No I don't make habits of this but I see the same players on FCP daily and have to mix it up.

QUOTE (jdavidfix @ Wednesday, April 12th, 2006, 1:07 AM) *
Perhaps I am missing something, but I think your math is off. There is $15.50 in the pot preflop. MP2 bets $12 and you call, meaning there is $39.50 in the pot going to the turn. MP2 bets $24 on the turn. Therefore, you have to call $24 to win $63.50, which lays you just better than 2.64-1 pot odds going to the river.


You are right my math was off I fixed OP


QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Wednesday, April 12th, 2006, 2:04 AM) *
If your competent opponents know that you always raise with big draws, this is a good way to mix things up. You've added deception in that they won't put you on a draw in this spot. Basically, it's a similar principle to why you sometimes bet out with draws, sometimes check-raise with them, and sometimes just call with them in the blinds.

If I had to figure out my percentages on big draws from the blinds, I'd say that I bet out 60% of the time, check-raise 30% of the time, and just call 10% of the time. I'm not sure if those are ideal percentages.



I'm on the button but I agree with you here
benhoug
QUOTE (Frinkenstein @ Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 6:24 PM) *
I'm not a big fan of the pre-flop call with TJs.

If you're not calling raises w/ J10 Suited, what are you calling raises with???
KowboyKoop
QUOTE (Frinkenstein @ Tuesday, April 11th, 2006, 9:24 PM) *
I'm not a big fan of the pre-flop call with TJs.

Otherwise, I guess it seems ok.



WHAAAAAAA!!?!?!


TJ suited is an autocall for me to just one standard raise..especially if stacks are at least reasonably deep. Gotta gamble a LITTLE bit. .
krup24
QUOTE (KowboyKoop @ Wednesday, April 12th, 2006, 8:38 AM) *
WHAAAAAAA!!?!?!
TJ suited is an autocall for me to just one standard raise..especially if stacks are at least reasonably deep. Gotta gamble a LITTLE bit. .



It's not really a gamble I'm looking for a big hand here

Obviously he doesn't play much NL
BIG_L_RIP
I don't mind this at all. If your opponent puts you on a flush draw, and the fairly innocuous 7 hits to give you the nuts, you're likely to get paid a good bit on the river. Excellent card for you.

No reason to go berzerk with every draw, especially if you have the guy betting strong into you with position.

Ignore the comments about folding J10s on the button to a single raise.
krup24
QUOTE (BIG_L_RIP @ Wednesday, April 12th, 2006, 9:47 AM) *
I don't mind this at all. If your opponent puts you on a flush draw, and the fairly innocuous 7 hits to give you the nuts, you're likely to get paid a good bit on the river. Excellent card for you.

No reason to go berzerk with every draw, especially if you have the guy betting strong into you with position.

Ignore the comments about folding J10s on the button to a single raise.



Yes the 7 non-spade was my absolute gin card. I don't think I get paid off if I don't hit it

Anyways for those who care heres the river action


MP2 Bets $30, krupnugz raises ALL IN, MP2 calls what he has left

MP2 shows [A icon_suit_club.gif ][A icon_suit_spade.gif ]
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