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anyone1
Live 1/2 game. 200 max buy-in. Hero has 350 after showing down Ak, KK, and 55(set) over the last 2 hours. Villain is a tight, solid player. No real read other than that.. (still working on my reads, they suck balls right now)

Villain (220$) in first position raises to 10 (standard raise at this table). Hero calls from BB with 10s10d.

(21$) Flop

10h 8s 3s

Hero checks. Villain bets 15. Hero calls.

(51$) Turn

As

Hero checks. Villain peeks at his hole cards and checks.

(51$) River

9s

Hero checks. Villain bets 25. Hero calls.
MasterLJ
For someone who is looking to hit big hands and run, you played this within your game plan... weak tight.

Him peaking at his hole cards suggests that he has off-suited cards and wants to see how high his spade is.

Apply pressure on the turn. Bet here (a sizeable bet, near pot size) for information if nothing else.

On the turn there are just too many draws out there to let another card go for free. 20% a spade is coming. Then you have an open ended str draw, and the possibility that 2 pair goes to a bigger boat (A 10 only).

Bottom line, it's -EV to ever let cards go for free if your opponent has any chance of winning whatsoever.
Scott3705
eh,... C/R the flop.

against a LP raiser I could see smooth calling and waiting to C/R a turn as he tries to bet w/ air again. however, we're against an UTG raiser who is going to have a big pair here quite often and get his chips in the middle of the pot on flop. This same big pair may feel a trap by the river and block a river C/R and will be wary of a turn c/r.
anyone1
Thanks guys. I knew I played the hand poorly and this isn't how I'd play this online where I'm considerably more comfortable.

P. S. Being called weak-tight made me die a little inside.

QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Thursday, April 6th, 2006, 8:47 AM) *
eh,... C/R the flop.

against a LP raiser I could see smooth calling and waiting to C/R a turn as he tries to bet w/ air again. however, we're against an UTG raiser who is going to have a big pair here quite often and get his chips in the middle of the pot on flop. This same big pair may feel a trap by the river and block a river C/R and will be wary of a turn c/r.


Would it be better to just bet the flop and he'll raise with KK or AA. Ak probably folds though (I have only check-raised once in this session and was correctly put on top two pair by another player)
Frinkenstein
QUOTE (anyone1 @ Thursday, April 6th, 2006, 12:05 PM) *
Thanks guys. I knew I played the hand poorly and this isn't how I'd play this online where I'm considerably more comfortable.

P. S. Being called weak-tight made me die a little inside.
Would it be better to just bet the flop and he'll raise with KK or AA. Ak probably folds though (I have only check-raised once in this session and was correctly put on top two pair by another player)


Since there is a flush draw on the board, I like the check-raise as well.

But, betting the flop like you mention is also just fine.
Scott3705
QUOTE (anyone1 @ Thursday, April 6th, 2006, 10:05 AM) *
Would it be better to just bet the flop and he'll raise with KK or AA. Ak probably folds though (I have only check-raised once in this session and was correctly put on top two pair by another player)



I like the C/R. It seems more like an A10 than a 1010. A lead can work, as our line would be Lead, call. Turn: check, raise. and that would prboably get everything in the middle. Assuming an over pair. against AK, AK is just going to fold here sometimes unless you're against a fairly aggressive player. So atleast c/ring you get one extra bet.

Honestly, there are two ways to donk this up and not get paid off if he has a big pair. 1) What you did. Keep checking to him and watch the board get scarey. 2) Lead, and push his reraise on the flop.
anyone1
QUOTE (Scott3705 @ Thursday, April 6th, 2006, 10:14 AM) *
I like the C/R. It seems more like an A10 than a 1010. A lead can work, as our line would be Lead, call. Turn: check, raise. and that would prboably get everything in the middle. Assuming an over pair. against AK, AK is just going to fold here sometimes unless you're against a fairly aggressive player. So atleast c/ring you get one extra bet.

Honestly, there are two ways to donk this up and not get paid off if he has a big pair. 1) What you did. Keep checking to him and watch the board get scarey. 2) Lead, and push his reraise on the flop.


Why would a c/r seem more like A10 than 1010?
BIG_L_RIP
in a 1/2, people try to get clever with sets. Here, you are disguising the strength of your hand by actually betting it. Basically you're saying to him 'Your AK missed, my A10 is good here." Ideally he comes back over the top and you get the money in whilst ahead. The rest of this hand is brutal.
petersun
Did you check on the turn fearing the flush?
anyone1
QUOTE (petersun @ Thursday, April 6th, 2006, 10:37 AM) *
Did you check on the turn fearing the flush?


No. I thought the As would scare him if he had KK or QQ. I thought he'd bet at it again if I checked to him and I could check-raise him here.. I probably should've bet this one right?

Btw, he had KK with the K of spades as all of you probably guessed.
LPY2005
I like the check on the flop. Villian was the preflop raiser and you are pretty sure he is going to at least make a continuation bet on the flop. Leading into this flop would also make sense, since he had an overpair and would likely raise. The mistake on the flop was just calling his raise with a flush draw on the board. I raise his $15 bet $50 more here.

On the turn the A icon_suit_spade.gif is actually a good card for you. Since you've read your opponent as tight, solid and he opened from first position he is a lot less likely to have a made flush, since he does not hold the A icon_suit_spade.gif Based on your read he is more likely to hold AA than K icon_suit_spade.gif Q icon_suit_spade.gif or something like that because he open raised UTG. Still, you can't fear an overset here and need to bet it. I lead the turn with a big raise and give him incorrect odds to see that last card with a flush draw.

I expect a tight, solid player would have layed down his KK to a big raise on the turn with a flush and an overcard on the board. If he just wanted to get lucky and called my big raise then the 4th icon_suit_spade.gif came up on the river, well I would have lost a whole lot more money than you did, but giving him incorrect odds though out the hand to beat you is +EV over the long haul.
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