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SuperJon
Is it better to raise or call a bet in early posistion when you have a draw? What I mean is, Player A bets in first posistion and you have 3-4 players to act behind you. Do you just call the bet or raise?

My analysis after a few replies.

Thanks


Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($37.45)
Hero ($29.50)
MP1 ($9.50)
MP2 ($17.75)
MP3 ($19.30)
CO ($33.85)
Button ($74.15)
SB ($33.75)
BB =#A500AF(Villian)/ ($16.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8:spade:, 5:club:.
Hero checks, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, BB =#A500AF(Villian)/ checks.

Flop: ($1.35) 6:diamond:, A:spade:, 7:diamond: (6 players)
Villian bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.5, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Villian calls $1.

Turn: ($4.35) 8:club: (3 players)
Villian checks, Hero bets $2.75, Villian folds.

Final Pot: $7.10
nickforgot
looks fine to me...there is no really set rule to follow with draws, just make sure you mix it up between just calling and raising.


played it good nh
nomad_monad
i think it depends on how aggressive the players are who are left to act behind you.

but in general, i am more inclined to raise with non-nut draws rather than nut-draws. the reason is that i would like to raise and price out competing draws that might have me beat should i make my draw. if i have the nut draw, then i don't mind calling and pricing in other draws to bring along for the ride.
ICrushHomeGames
Some of this depends on how strong of a hand you're drawing to. If you're drawing to the nuts, then you'd be more inclined to keep them in the pot, but if you're drawing to a more marginal hand, you'd be more inclined ot bet them out of the pot.
goose
Here two of your outs could be tainted by the flush draw, and you are drawing to the second straight... not sure how much I like the raise on this board with so many yet to act, but it's definately not a *bad* play by any stretch.

I think it's really table dependant there, based on how the people behind are acting, but if you get two callers or a re-raise you're really not in a pretty position.
David_Nicoson
QUOTE (SuperJon @ Wednesday, April 5th, 2006, 5:55 PM) *
Is it better to raise or call a bet in early posistion when you have a draw? What I mean is, Player A bets in first posistion and you have 3-4 players to act behind you. Do you just call the bet or raise?

My analysis after a few replies.

Thanks
Ultimate Bet No-Limit Hold'em, $.25 BB (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($37.45)
Hero ($29.50)
MP1 ($9.50)
MP2 ($17.75)
MP3 ($19.30)
CO ($33.85)
Button ($74.15)
SB ($33.75)
BB =#A500AF(Villian)/ ($16.20)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8 icon_suit_spade.gif , 5 icon_suit_club.gif .
Hero checks, 1 fold, MP2 calls $0.25, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, 2 folds, BB =#A500AF(Villian)/ checks.

Flop: ($1.35) 6 icon_suit_diamond.gif , A icon_suit_spade.gif , 7 icon_suit_diamond.gif (6 players)
Villian bets $0.5, Hero raises to $1.5, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, CO folds, Villian calls $1.

Turn: ($4.35) 8 icon_suit_club.gif (3 players)
Villian checks, Hero bets $2.75, Villian folds.

Final Pot: $7.10

I wouldn't post UTG+1, so I hope to avoid the situation.
I would fold to the flop bet. If someone is drawing to diamonds, you're down to 6 outs. We might face a raise from late postion, which will ruin our odds.

If I were playing it, I would raise as you did. Maybe a larger amount. A big raise might buy you back 2 outs by knocking out a flush draw.
SuperJon
QUOTE (goose @ Wednesday, April 5th, 2006, 7:25 PM) *
Here two of your outs could be tainted by the flush draw, and you are drawing to the second straight... not sure how much I like the raise on this board with so many yet to act, but it's definately not a *bad* play by any stretch.

I think it's really table dependant there, based on how the people behind are acting, but if you get two callers or a re-raise you're really not in a pretty position.



I think that's why I raised. I figured if I just called I might be letting other draws in and might just make it more expensive for myself on a later street. By raising I find out almost instantly if I should stay in or not. My main goal was to get heads up with the original raiser, and thus gain posistion. If he shows any weakness on the turn, then I can try to steal it from him if I don't hit. In this scenario, the play worked out perfectly to my benefit.

Here is how I usually play draws (not all the time, I do like to mix it up).

Flush and/or open ended in EP after someone bets: 70% raise/30% call

and in LP, it's the opposite.


QUOTE (David_Nicoson @ Wednesday, April 5th, 2006, 7:42 PM) *
I wouldn't post UTG+1, so I hope to avoid the situation.
I would fold to the flop bet. If someone is drawing to diamonds, you're down to 6 outs. We might face a raise from late postion, which will ruin our odds.

If I were playing it, I would raise as you did. Maybe a larger amount. A big raise might buy you back 2 outs by knocking out a flush draw.



Thanks and quick question for you. How did you get the suits to show up in the hand history?
goose
I don't think the converter has a setting that works on these forums, but I could be wrong.

Also I wasn't necessarily critiquing your play, but it is a little dangerous, especially if you have a LAGish table.
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