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SunDrop
.25/.50 NL

I have A-Jo (UTG+1) and about $48 in front of me.
The SB has about $14 in front of them.

I raised because I hadn't done that sort of thing in a while. A couple people called, including the SB. $6 in the pot.

Flop K-4-3 rainbow I took a stab at it. It folded back to the SB and they quickly called.

Turn: 2. He instantly fired in his last $8.

SunDrop: "You really like that duece huh"
Him: "Yes"
SunDrop: "Cool"

And I folded.

The question is, what possible benefit could playing his hand that way have for him? Why would he give me a free one when he could've essentially made the same move on the flop? It was obvious he had the king the second he called...if he had raised, I probably still would've folded, but the possibility of a steal would've at least there. Instead it was a no brainer.
bobbywithani
That's a donk or gay bet, not a stop-n-go. I don't know why people do it at all.
Actuary
so you really think he had a K or the 2 helped him?

if so, all he needs is for you to not have a K.
lots of hands in your range don't have a K.

edit: I mean... if you think he has a K, then he should play it like this...when he doesn't.
BIG_L_RIP
I guess he could've had 5/6

calling flop, then leading a safe turn is definitely a viable route for hands as well.

Nothing remarkable or silly about it.
SunDrop
QUOTE (BIG_L_RIP @ Tuesday, April 4th, 2006, 1:59 PM) *
I guess he could've had 5/6

calling flop, then leading a safe turn is definitely a viable route for hands as well.

Nothing remarkable or silly about it.



I think if he has 5-6 he tries to trap me on the turn, knowing I'm likely going to put the rest of his chips in (although I probably wouldn't). If I check, he can make that move on the river.

And no, I don't think the 2 helped him...I think he was just trying to be overly fancy with a king.
BIG_L_RIP
I didn't conclude he had 5/6, I said 'I guess.' Maybe he had a set. Maybe a king.

and there is nothing 'overly fancy' about a stop and go if you use it to vary your lines.
Uppie_
my only thoughts on a benefit for him is if he has AK, and an ace comes on the turn he then gets paid off. but who knows really.

I had a similar situation the other day on party had top pair on flop flush got there on turn and he instantly went all in, I called and he turned over 4 high and a str8 draw he made on the turn, it got there on the river after the money got in but oh well, and I had the nut redraw if he had the flush.


A lot of the time an instant all in or pot bet is a bluff because if he had made a hand he would want to think about the correct amount to bet not just instantly bet something. obviously its an expensive tell to confrim if your wrong.
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