Blinds 300/600 with 30 ante; at a full 10-handed table.

You're in SB with $12,790 and hold AKo.

UTG+2 has $42,958 and raises to $1200 (doubles the BB). It's folded back around to you and you're confident BB will also fold so it's you and big stack.

What's your play? Push here or try a stop and go?

We have too much money to stop and go any flop if we just call preflop.

It would be a huge overbet.

I think I'd just move in now. If you call and see a flop, and don't plan to stop and go, you probably won't get action if an ace shows up. Try to get equity on your hand now, he could call with AQ or maybe even AJ, he has the chips to do so.

Oops, left out a key piece of information. For the stop and go I mean re-raise half my stack THEN push on the flop no matter what. Otherwise, like you said, it's a huge overbet.

But of those two, re-raise then push on flop or just push now - you still prefer moving in pre-flop?

your M is a little high for a push pre-flop.

i'd re-raise to about 4k. if he comes back over the top im more than happy to call.

if he just calls then push the flop no matter what comes.

How is that a stop and go then? hehe.

Guess it depends on your definition and if I'm mistaken so be it. REGARDLESS, it's the play/move I'm curious about.

I like this line - we're going to see all five cards but it gives us a few more ways to win the pot.

1. Villian might fold to the reraise preflop if he has some junky suited connector hand
2. Villian might call and fold to our push on the flop if the flop misses him

Ok here's the deal. This was a $100 SnG and I was listening to a pro discuss this hand (he was the one with AKo). He said it was a clear push and I certainly don't dislike the play. It's what he did and the raiser folded and didn't show his hand - he could've had almost anything really. But what if his hand is kind of marginal/speculative? Aren't there certainly a range of hands he'd call a re-raise with but then fold to a jam on the flop? Either way you're getting to see all five cards, but with the re-raise/push-on-flop there's a chance he'll extract a few more chips.

I'm wondering though if the fact that this wasn't a fishfest plays into his decision. Part of me thinks a good player who called the re-raise is calling the push on the flop knowing what he's doing. A weaker player however might not see this or consider the pot odds so would fold to the push. That is, I'm wondering if the re-raise/push works better on softer players and/or lower levels whereas at these stakes the pro realized a solid re-raise is basically all-in, so he might as well just do that from the get-go.

I think a push pre-flop is far safer than letting your opponent see a flop. You are guaranteed to see all five community cards should your opponent decide to call, which is definately what hands like ace king offsuit want. You have a ton of fold equity preflop if you push as well. The only detriment though is that due to the size of your push, your opponent may think your push means weakness, and decide to call with a lesser holding (say pocket tens).

Yes, a preflop push also negates your positional disadvantage. So, you won't be outplayed postflop. Though, you certainly want to think about this particular play more based on your read of the opener. But, in the general case, I take as much fold equity as possible and negate position with a large raise or push.

How are the chip stacks so big in a SnG that still has all 10 players?

I think the big re-raise / push any flop line sux. (in this situation)

I still dont understand the stacks if this is a SitnGo, but I dont like Stop and Gos with AK. You lose too much value when an A or K flop and the opponent folds, and when you push when you miss you are likely to only be called by a pair. Ie you lose folding equity with a stop and go with AK, not gain it, which is the purpose of a stop and go.

I would just push if those are the two choices.

Id still like to know the other stacks though.

I can't find where I saw this so I don't know any more than what I already posted. Might've been end of MTT or something, don't know. Probably misspoke when I said SnG.

If its the end of a MTT then the other stacks and prize structure could open up folding and limping as options besides pushing or SnG, thought most likely pushing will wind up the answer.

Hello guys,

I have a rookie question here...what is a stop and go?

Thanks

It's when you call a preflop raise (usually out of the blinds) or perhaps if you limped early and someone raised behind you, with the intention of pushing the rest of your chips in on the flop. Many times it can be better than just going all-in preflop against a hand you likely have no fold equity against, but you might pick up fold equity on the flop, like if you have 10 10, he has JJ, and the flop comes A K 9, or similar.

That's the tournament definition pretty much, but it's also used in cash games, like in limit hold'em if you check/call the turn and then bet out on the river, also known as a donk bet.

Actually I believe that they are different in limit hold'em. If I check/call the flop and then lead the turn, that's a donk bet. If I bet/call the flop and then bet the turn, that's a stop-and-go.

Don't quote me, but I'm pretty sure.

Thanks for the info!

Raymer's classic post on the stop and go:
http://archiveserver.twoplustwo.com/showfl...w=&sb=5&o=&vc=1

That's correct.