Bodog 3/6 NLHE (7-handed)

UTG 848
MP2 $689
SB $102
Button $1,486
Cobalt $914

Cobalt is BB w/ T 5 . UTG is a weakplaying calling station donk. MP2 is an aggressive player who currently has the most votes in Bodog's All-Star thing. He arrived a couple rounds before this. Button is loose and very frequently overbets if it's checked to him.

Pre-flop:
UTG raises to $12, 2 folds, MP2 calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, Cobalt calls

Flop ($60): T 5 8 (5 players)
SB checks, Cobalt checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets $34, 2 folds, Cobalt raises to $104, 1 fold, MP2 calls

Turn ($268): 7 (2 players)
Cobalt bets $160, MP2 goes all-in for $573, Cobalt ?

Sounds like AT or 88 from villain. More likely 88 because he had to call with a bet and then raise in front of him.

C'mon, people...is this such an "obvious fold" that it's not worth commenting?

possible that he has something like KQ or AJ of spade and made a flush??


I think probably fold. Tough to see too much that you beat unless you feel he is just trying to push you out.

Is it an obvious fold? Lets go over a set of hands we think the villain could have that he might like in this situation:


Do we have to eliminate big pocket pairs? Obviously kings and aces are out. Queens and Jacks? You say MP2 is aggressive. Does he always reraise with his pocket pairs? You said UTG was a weak donk, and he only min-raised preflop. If he's aggressive, I would think he's reraising here with atleast queens, and maybe jacks or tens.

9s, 8s, 7s, 6s, and maybe 5s? Its only a min raise. Personally, I might not call with 5s here, but some people would, especially aggressive people that like to put money into the pot. 2 of these hands have you beat. One of these hands (5s) is unlikely given that all 4 fives would be out.

AK suited? This is another hand that seems to scream reraise. AQs, AJs, ATs? KQs?

Could he call with something like J9?

Is he sophisticated enough to call the flop to set up a bluff on a draw heavy board?

You said he's an aggressive player... I cant see what he would just smooth call with preflop that wouldnt have you beat now. The flush draw hit, the straight draw hit, and he liked his hand enough on the flop to call an aditional $70.

My spidey senses would tell me Im beat. But i'd call anyhow, hit my full house on the river and proceed to tell him how Im his daddy while rubbing a twinkie all over my naked torso.

he'd have to be an absolute maniac to push that turn and not have you beat.

AsTx is one hand we could be ahead of, that's about it...

we know he doesn't have 85 or T8.

there are a buttload of hands here that have you destroyed...and a few that you have beat, but def. nothing near a lock (obviously).

I hope you mucked, but judging by your tone...you didn't?

meh happens...gl

- Jordan

I mucked. The problem is that he showed K8o and I felt dirty.

Don't sweat it Cobalt. Super easy fold. Doesnt matter what he showed. A ton of draws just got there so just let it go.

I don't like the pf call even though it was a min raise

i'm pissed i sawthis part., it does seem like a very insta fold, which sucks that this guy is so crazy,

but further examining, what could he have that he only calls our raise on the flop and doesnt re-raise.

does he have a monster or a draw? if either than we are either beat to the flush, or to the monster.

very difficult call though

I cant see any good player making this call without one hell of a monster read

i know. you would bascially have to completely wipe out the idea of the value and think, "why bet out the flop, but not re-raise".

go on the idea that he has TP, and figures your turn lead bet was weak, and can be pushed off it.

but agian, its just really semi-impossible to make this call if you value that stack

MP2 is an aggressive player who currently has the most votes in Bodog's All-Star thing.

I think MP2 deserves it.

For sure. So tough to play OOP vs a good player like that. He probably put you on TP weak kicker or a weak 2 pair and knew you couldnt call his massive raise when the flush card hit.

Good ole Teabag.

Did he have K at least?

Yes, the flop offers flush and straight draws. MP2 probably has observed hero as a tight non-tricky player, and hero's flop-raising is screaming out loud to protect his made hand and his stack is deep. Hero's weak bet on the turn is committing suicide.

Yes.

NotoriousBIL actually. He ran his $600 up to $3000 while I was at the table. I do remember that it was a black king, but I can't recall if it was the spade or club.


We've played two rounds...and thanks for the slam.

I bet almost 2/3 of the pot on the turn. I wouldn't call it 'weak'...but it might not have been strong enough. Is there a different line that you'd prefer?


I think I usually used to fold here pre-flop, but I'm getting like 9:1. Granted, I'm going to be OOP with a fairly trashy hand.

I bet almost 2/3 of the pot on the turn. I wouldn't call it 'weak'...but it might not have been strong enough. Is there a different line that you'd prefer?

I would have raised more on the flop against two opponents because I was OOP, my stack was big, many turn cards would have scared me (as I've played more and more plo8, I developed the habbit of counting cards from Ace to K to see how many cards are good/bad for me in the next betting round), and I wanted to define my opponents' hands. If they fold, fine, I am happy to take the pot with in inferior hand out of position. It's less likely that that will call, they will either fold or push for overpairs. There are plenty of opportunities in the cash game other than this one.

That's actually what I though might be my big mistake here. If I'd bumped it to $154-$184, I might not have lost the hand. The problem was that on the turn, I had this fear that I'd priced him into calling with the flush draw by not raising enough on the flop.

that's sick...he must trust his "online" read a lot to push that turn by putting you on say, two pair that he knows you are capable of folding.

Hands like this just make me wish there were webcams to watch people when they bluff. One thing I hate about online poker is not being able to see your opponent...

but playing 10432042345340650690 hands per hour can make up for that...I guess.

- Jordan

Interestingly, Bodog allows you to "add chips" after you've shoved it all-in. I noticed that he'd done this in the process of the hand (they get added once the hand is over), so I guess he figured there was a decent chance he'd get called and lose. It's kind of an underhanded way to build your stack, but it makes sense strategically.

Later, he suspected a guy of bluffing and said, "Show the bluff. It's good for the game." The way he played this hand was obviously an image gamble.