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Theraflu
MP1 is decent player, hasnt shown much, about $350 in front of him

Hero has 1000+ in front of him

MP1 raises to $16, not much info on him, seems like an average raise.

Hero has A6 clubs in big blind, calls the raise.

heads up to the flop... {5-3-2} two clubs

hero bets $10 into flop with nut draw, gutshot, and an ace.

MP1 raises to $35...hero calls with the draws.

Turn is an offsuit 5...

MP1 bets $65, hero calls again with a big stack and the draws

river is an offsuit 6.

MP1 bets $100, he has $135 or so left in front of him, hero has him well covered and just hit top pair...

???
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 1:20 AM) *
MP1 is decent player, hasnt shown much, about $350 in front of him

Hero has 1000+ in front of him

MP1 raises to $16, not much info on him, seems like an average raise.

Hero has A6 clubs in big blind, calls the raise.

heads up to the flop... {5-3-2} two clubs

hero bets $10 into flop with nut draw, gutshot, and an ace.

MP1 raises to $35...hero calls with the draws.

Turn is an offsuit 5...

MP1 bets $65, hero calls again with a big stack and the draws

river is an offsuit 6.

MP1 bets $100, he has $135 or so left in front of him, hero has him well covered and just hit top pair...

???

Uhh...fold? If he doesn't have an overpair, he's doing a good job of pretending.

Mistake #1: Calling pre-flop.
Mistake #2: Betting out so tiny on the flop. (Either make a bigger bet or check-raise.)

I'd say that seriously considering calling the river is mistake #3, but I guess you're at least questioning it.
Sea Wasp
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 7:44 PM) *
Uhh...fold? If he doesn't have an overpair, he's doing a good job of pretending.

Mistake #1: Calling pre-flop.
Mistake #2: Betting out so tiny on the flop. (Either make a bigger bet or check-raise.)

I'd say that seriously considering calling the river is mistake #3, but I guess you're at least questioning it.



Very easy lay down. Player has given you no reason not to give him credit for an overpair. If he has played AK this way then you need not worry about losing this pot because you will take many more from him.
Pancake407
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 12:44 AM) *
Uhh...fold? If he doesn't have an overpair, he's doing a good job of pretending.

Mistake #1: Calling pre-flop.
Mistake #2: Betting out so tiny on the flop. (Either make a bigger bet or check-raise.)

I'd say that seriously considering calling the river is mistake #3, but I guess you're at least questioning it.


C/R flop.

EASY fold on river.
Dratj
QUOTE (CobaltBlue @ Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 12:44 AM) *
Uhh...fold? If he doesn't have an overpair, he's doing a good job of pretending.

Mistake #1: Calling pre-flop.
Mistake #2: Betting out so tiny on the flop. (Either make a bigger bet or check-raise.)

I'd say that seriously considering calling the river is mistake #3, but I guess you're at least questioning it.


I would fold the river, the only hands you can beat are two big overcards. However, his reraise on the flop would indicate a made hand that would beat your pair sixes.
Theraflu
alright well i was actually MP1, i had KJ of hearts, and he called when caught his "top pair."

how did i play the hand? from you guys point of view he all made a pretty loose call, but should i have bet more on the river? my buddy said that was a weak bet, and i was a little under half the pot, but if he's calling $100 i dont know how much more he is calling.

i thought i played the hand pretty well, his goofy $10 bet on the flop screamed weakness, and i put him on an a-high flush draw, he just happened to catch a card that made his hand look good to him
David_Nicoson
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 11:50 AM) *
alright well i was actually MP1, i had KJ of hearts, and he called when caught his "top pair."

how did i play the hand? from you guys point of view he all made a pretty loose call, but should i have bet more on the river? my buddy said that was a weak bet, and i was a little under half the pot, but if he's calling $100 i dont know how much more he is calling.

i thought i played the hand pretty well, his goofy $10 bet on the flop screamed weakness, and i put him on an a-high flush draw, he just happened to catch a card that made his hand look good to him

I would've folded the river, but I can see the him interpretting the flop bet as weakness, probably a big ace with a gut shot and a three-flush.
akoff
The guy you attemped to bluff is either 1. had read like a book or 2. not a very good player...

It is very hard to bluff a bad player. I have to assume you know this guy is able to laydown a hand or else it was a bad attempt. It is one hell of a ballsy play though. i personally love it. if nothing else it should have helped get you action for the next time you are leading at a pot with the goods..
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 10:50 AM) *
i thought i played the hand pretty well

It's mostly a matter of your opponent being a donk with calling station tendencies. Just have to be very particular about the opponent and hand when you fire bullets on all three streets.
GABMAD
I put him on a higher pocket pair. Tough call though....I'm not sure what I'd do. Don't have much time to think now so that's all i got.
Abbaddabba
I'd almost always find a way to put it all in on the flop.


You get folds from a lot of hands that you're only a marginal favorite against (a stronger ace high), and possibly an overpair.

The stacks are deep enough that he isnt yet commited, but shallow enough that it isnt a massive overbet.

Most hte hands that call you you're still a favorite against (albiet only by a bit), and only a set or AA is a favorite against you. Or a flopped straight, but that seems extremely unlikely. You may get folds from overpairs too, which is huge.
drew4523
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Friday, March 17th, 2006, 11:20 PM) *
MP1 is decent player, hasnt shown much, about $350 in front of him

Hero has 1000+ in front of him

MP1 raises to $16, not much info on him, seems like an average raise.

Hero has A6 clubs in big blind, calls the raise.

heads up to the flop... {5-3-2} two clubs

hero bets $10 into flop with nut draw, gutshot, and an ace.

MP1 raises to $35...hero calls with the draws.

Turn is an offsuit 5...

MP1 bets $65, hero calls again with a big stack and the draws

river is an offsuit 6.

MP1 bets $100, he has $135 or so left in front of him, hero has him well covered and just hit top pair...

???


I'd like a bigger bet on this flop too with a draw that big, being a coin flip against A-A and about 30% against a set

By the way he has played his hand seems he is representing an overpair
I would also think that offsuit 5 on the turn is a scare card that you might be able to represent

River seems like an easy fold the way the hand has been played
BIG_L_RIP
I'd call once I got there, not saying I'd have been there in that fashion. But your play just seems weak. Starting with the preflop raise. Everything just smells of weakness.
etip
QUOTE (Theraflu @ Saturday, March 18th, 2006, 8:50 AM) *
alright well i was actually MP1, i had KJ of hearts, and he called when caught his "top pair."

how did i play the hand? from you guys point of view he all made a pretty loose call, but should i have bet more on the river? my buddy said that was a weak bet, and i was a little under half the pot, but if he's calling $100 i dont know how much more he is calling.

i thought i played the hand pretty well, his goofy $10 bet on the flop screamed weakness, and i put him on an a-high flush draw, he just happened to catch a card that made his hand look good to him


You read him perfectly and got unlucky. I tend to play my opponents' cards more than my own, as well, and this sort of thing happens to me a lot. Usually, your opponent will miss his hand and your incredible read will win you the pot by the river.

You should be happy that your read was (almost) spot-on, and that you had the balls to follow through with it, because this is a very advanced play and you were obviously on your game (but also increasing your variance w/ this type of play).

I'd say that as long as you know which river cards to bet/check/fold to, keep playing this way.
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