In your opinion do you think its alright for Christians to drink. even a little?

What are your thoughts?
I would like to hear what Daniel thinks about this since I have heard he is a Christian.

Here are some links that say its wrong.
jesusisthelight.net/BROTHERS.htm

www.biblebb.com/files/macqa/70-9-3.htm

www.layhands.com/CanChristiansDrinkAlcohol.htm

I'm not even a Christian and I can answer this one in that anything in excess is a sin. Alcohol isn't a sin (Jesus drank it, that lush) but drinking it in excess, ie getting drunk is a sin.

Anybody else?

well done shakezuma

If I'm blacked out it doesn't count.

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Shake is right.

The Irish-Catholic in me wants to a definition of excess though.

I like to say if I'm alive then it wasn't too much.

Beer is there to be drunk. It would be a sin not to.

Becoming an alcoholic is a sin just like becoming a fat pig through over eating is a sin. There is NO evidence in the Bible that drinking alcohol is a sin.

In fact, quite the opposite is true. There are several passages that mention drinking wine.

I forget which book it's in, I think Galatians, but it says in the Bible that the reason why getting drunk is wrong is that it lowers your inhibitions. Inhibitions are basically that little voice in the back of your head telling you what's right and wrong (or your conscience). So when you're drunk you do bad things (pre-marital sex, cuss, etc) because your inhibitions are lowered.

From this I take that just getting drunk isn't necessarily wrong, it's just the things that you do while you're drunk that are the problem. So the key is to just drink in moderation so that you're always in control.


or at least that's how I rationalize it.

Jesus turned water into wine.....

Daniel,

I must state that being an "alcoholic" is not a sin in itself as this is a very real disease that the person has no control of their own over - and 99.9 % of the time must receive help in order to recover. The sin with drinking is in the excess in getting drunk whether you are an alcoholic or not.

If you drink and get drunk - then that is the sin many people feel is pointed out in the bible. There are many alcoholics in recovery that had not had a drink in many years. They are still an alcoholic in soberiety.

A great verse states , "do not get drunk on wine but get drunk on the Holy Spirit". I do not have actually where that verse comes from handy as I am at work... so maybe a fellow reader/poster can state exactly what verse that is from.

Point of my post was to mention that being and alcoholic in itself is not the sin. It is a disease. The sin is in the excess whether you are an alcoholic or not.

Steve D

I'd like to add that it says nothing in the Bible about which wine to drink with which meat/fish, so when those snotty little bistro bastards start in on you for ordering Merlot, quote some Bible verse for them, just like Jules Winfield does in Pulp Fiction.

Actually, Psalms 6:13 says "Thou shalt have'st a peppery Zinfandel with thou's fish, but thou stickest to Cabernet when thou eateth spicy foods"


look it up.

I never could cut it in Bible Studies...Heck, no one even laughed or clapped when I was in the church plays...

It's been a sad, sad life.

On an up note, anyone know a brand name for a decent quality peppery Zinfandel around 15$?

How Christian of you.

Wow, metaphor's are against Christianity?


You guys have a lot of rules.

Ravenswood has a good one - and you can find it at everywhere for around $7.

Here's kind of a new spin on it. I think anytime you become addicted to something, you're sinning. By addicted, I mean you couldn't put whatever it is down and not leave it behind for good and be happy. This applies with all things, drinking, gambling, cigarettes, etc.

I would agree with you on this. I think a great test for people is to just quit something for a week and see what happens...see just how much you really need those things

Did Jesus ever say anything against alcohol?

Also, according to the Bible, he turned water into wine at the wedding feast.

If you want to go back further, there's the Jewish festival of Purim where traditonally you are encouraged to drink and gamble.

PURIM EVERYDAY!!!!!

(BTW, I might have transliterated Purim wrongly)

St. patrick's day, bad day to ask this question.

i personally drink and think it is ok on a certain level.

it is ok to drink, it says in the bible that jesus even drank and invited a child into a hut with him and a friend to celebrate gods glory.
but it is not ok when you drink so much to the level that you are not in control of what you are doing. if you are not in control of what you are doing then you might do something that might discrace you and/or God.
My cousins "christian" boyfriend drinks hiumself stupid and makes a total *** of himself which is just not cool

We serve God with our minds- alcohol effects our thinking. The scriptures where he talks of it, it's negative, with a stern warning against drunkedness.

So, if you have two drinks and catch a buzz, it's affecting your mind, right? And to some extent you are drunk, right?

If you have one drink nothing happens- so, might as well drink something else.

It's also a question of appropriate use of your time. Why not be studying your Bible instead of doing Jagrbombers?




Riesling goes better with spicy foods, or a Fume Blanc. A Pinot Grigio even.

I've always had a few problems with this statement.

I think it is more accurate to call alcoholism a "self-inflicted mental disorder."

Doctors/advocates seem to like to call this a disease (although many doctors do not prescribe to this) because alcoholics can't "help" it. But "comparable" disorders (Schizophrenia, dementia, etc.), while they can have roots in unhealthy living, in fact are not self-inflicted. Alcoholism and other addictions are. I really dont' think it's fair to put someone sufferring from Alzheimers or from bone cancer in the same category as an alcoholic.

I've also heard it said "Once an alcoholic, always an alcoholic." If we accept this as true, you are not sinning b/c you "are" one. You are sinning, however, if you act upon it. I tend to view homosexuality in about the same terms.
You are not innocent if you act upon it, as if for instance you are deranged due to Alzheimers and you hit someone with a car. For as far as "diseases" go, you caused it, you can get help, and you are responsible for those actions.

Did anyone read this site? http://www.layhands.com/CanChristiansDrinkAlcohol.htm

What do you guys think about this site? Do you agree/ disagree?

I just skimmed the site but hes pretty much on target. For some drinking is a personal weakness and I would recommend them not drink at all if it is something that will cause them to stumble. For others you can have a beer and not have any problem with it. It all comes down to personal choice. What you dont want is to start havin people associate alcohol with your ministry. Alcohol isnt bad in moderation but when you go about drinkin everyday then you might want to consider takin a break from it

You are such a retard. Both of these have been medically diagnosed as a disease.

Before you post take a moment to read what you have typed and ask yourself if it makes sense before you click on the add reply button.

um..drinkin urself until ur an acholic doesnt make it a disease. Going out and gettin hammered every night is not an excuse...going and eating urself to death isnt an excuse..people toss this stuff out all the time and try to hide behind this "disease" why is it that america is suffering from "diseases" that no other country seems to struggle with...

scientist call it diseases but as far as i knwo there isnt any actual scientific proof but merely people classifying something as to why people drink to much or are fat...

This is what scientist's and doctor's do for a living. They are experts at what they do.

Of course there is proof to diagnose these conditions as diseases and not just merely people classifying something. . .

actually no...as people on this forum have so often said...scientists just look at science and draw conclusions...well science has so far shown no chemical imbalance that causes people to eat themselves fat or drink themselves to death...yet they conclude that it is a disease? Do you see the problem?

You know the cure for people who drink to much? Dont drink!!!

You know the cure for obesity? Quit eating 20 hrs a day and join a gym!!!

Its not hard stuff...People here are just so lazy that we have had to come up with new names to make people feel better.

gluttony is a sin for a reason...so is getting drunk...Do you think if people lived by those 2 simple rules there would be either problem in america? Of course not

There is medical evidence in both cases that prove there is such a thing as an addiction to food or alcohol.

It's the same as a kid who has tourette's. There is a medical condition that causes the outbursts just like there is a medical condition that causes alcholism and obesity. I'm not talking about a few extra pounds but about the people you see who are 100 or 200 pounds overweight. There's a little more going on there then not going to the gym.

Please dont compare tourettes to somebody who is obese or an acoholic...My little brother has tourettes so i have first hand knowledge of that. You are comparing apples and oranges

with tourettes you have no control, You know how often I watched my little brother cry b/c he couldnt stop himself from doing something? He didnt volunter to do this stuff he has to deal with it

Obesity and alcoholism are the exact opposite. Those who are alcoholics had a choice. The choice was not to drink. They went against that choice and now they are paying for it. You arent born with alcoholism, you may be more suseptible to it but you are born an alcoholic. It is a choice to pound beer until you become an alcoholic. Just like with obesity. Why is it that no other generation had this struggle? hmm maybe its b/c we think eating a cheese burger is as good as eating a salad. People willingly choose to eat fatty foods and drink soda full of sugar and then cant undestand why they are fat....These are choices they made. You arent born and o ur obese...It is a decision to continue eating fat...You think if they ate healthy they would have these problems? Of course not...

So please dont compare tourettes to some "disease" that just happened to appear this generation.

You said with tourettes you have no control. What do you think these people who can't stop eating and drinking have? Well let me tell you, the answer is no control. Alcoholism did not just appear in this generation, it's been around for years. You are not born with alcoholism or obesity you just may be more at risk to develop it but the underlying factors still remain that once a catalyst sets the disease in motion then it will become a full blown disease just as bad if not worse than your little brothers fits.

again these arent not close sorry. With the obesity and drinking you didnt one day go o well im just gonna start eating and eating...Its a lifestyle choice. They choice to start eating fatty foods and a lot of them and progressively they built it to obesity. With alcohol you dont drink just one beer and become an alcoholic do you? It invovles progressively drinking more and more. So dont sit there try to say that they had no control...Tourettes isnt the product of a lifestyle. You are born with it or you arent. My dad has a small case of it which he gave to my little brother. I lived in the exact same situation as my brother but I dont have it. So its not a product of a catalyst, It is something genetically passed down. Obesity and Alcholism arent. Sorry but your wrong

Regardless of what you believe or refuse to believe the fact still remains that Daniel is retarded.

refuse to believe? you are equating something you have no control over to a lifestyle choice that leads to bad problems for you. theres a reason the bible teaches that gluttony and abusing alcohol are bad. they realized several thousand years ago what the problems with those abuses are.

Whether this is true can be (as it can be with any person, really) debatable. However, you haven't given any valid reason to believe that statement in this specific thread.

Been sober 25 years and 4 days. Got sober in AA, became Christan 21 years ago.

Alcohlism is not a disease like cancer or tourettes, those that say it is are trying to find an excuse not to apply themselves to stopping. Having said that most alcoholics can not stop without outside help. Higher Power and/or AA.

I know more alcoholics then 'experts', but I can tell you that there is alot of money in keeping alcoholism listed as a disease. Follow the money.


I don't drink at all, it's a sin for me. My wife drinks wine at dinner and when out with our friends, no big deal.

Drink to excess is a sin imo. But I'm not the judge of others, only myself.

Heh, Jesus didn't turn water into wine. He turned it into four hundred gallons of wine. Now, I don't have the guest list for the wedding, but I can't imagine there were enough people that four hundred gallons wouldn't get them drunk. Especially since the passage clearly states that it's towards the end, when most people would have already been tipsy or worse.

herokid7 said it best. An addiction is always bad, it will always have a negative impact on your life, regardless of what it is.