princeof56k
Monday, March 20th, 2006, 4:54 PM
QUOTE (Guest @ Sunday, March 19th, 2006, 9:11 PM)

Are you being serious???
Jefferson has been playing consistent, productive minutes since last year. Some intelligent sources (Hollinger, etc.) consider him to have the most offensive potential of all the young bigs in the league.
Delonte West was injured last year and in his first real year at the point he has become the one or two best pg's in his draft class.
Perkins is playing for the first time in three years and is now a starting center for an nba team at the ripe age of 22. He is also one of top 5 rebounders in the game on a per minute basis.
Tony Allen was an NBA starter last year after being drafted late in the first round. He was a starting player on an NBA Playoff team in his rookie year and playing over Ricky Davis. Injuries have held him back this year and he has missed significant time.
Ryan Gomes is a second round pick also starting on an NBA team. How many second round picks from the last draft are starting right now? And since you are going to say the Celtics suck and that is the reason he is starting, go to nba.com and see that he is considered one of the top 10 rookies this year on their rookie page.
Gerald Green is a question mark since he has not played consistently yet. He has a chance to be the big player in 5 years you refer to.
I find it amusing that you believe these picks to be "all Potential." Based on current production, each and every one of these players would go higher in the draft (outside of Green which is debatable), if the drafts were redone today. So basically, my question is this: What the hell are you talking about?
You find my "potential" comment ammusing, but yet you use that very word in your post. I stand by my comments and I think you basically proved my point. When a GM takes 3 high schoolers in 3 years, I think that qualifies as man looking for potential.
Sure if the drafts were held again "maybe" some of these guys would go higher, buts thats always the case. That's mainly because other "potential" picks are flat out busts. I would have to look at "all" the rookies to see where people would go.
And I am not impressed by any of the stats on these players either. I will give rookies a break, but after their second year, you usually know what you're getting. There are late bloomers who dont start really producing until year 3, but those are very rare occurances. Just from a statistical standpiont I wouldnt hold my breath on any of these guys.
I will only concede one point (which you didnt even bring up btw). It is possible that Doc Rivers is such a bad coach that he is actually hurting the developement of these young players. Usually thats not the case, but with Doc you never know.
Here's what I think of all the first round picks Ainge has made (or traded for at draft time like he did in 2003). I might miss a couple because of trades and such.
Marcus Banks - selected 15th (2003) - So good he was traded this year, but he only averaged 5.5 points anyway. Not good for pick that high, but he is doing better for the Wolves (Doc factor). He might start for a while, but I see him bouncing around a lot
Kendrik Prekins - selected 27th (2003) - in his 3rd year he putting up 5 ppg and 6 rpg, despite having every opportunity to play. When does the potential label wear off? After the 3rd year which should be over any minute now.
Al Jefferson - selected14th (2004) - in his second year 8ppg and 5 rpg despite every opportunity to play. He has a very small chance of getting better, but I think this is as good as it gets for him. Dwight Howard (another high scholler who was in this same draft!) he is NOT.
Deleonte West - selected 24th (2004) - I'll give Ainge credit this is a good pick. Nice production from a low first rounder. Looks like he'll be a starter for a while. Not an All-star, but not many players from this level are All-star caliber anyways. Good pick except...
Tony Allen - selected 25th (2004) - Ainge drafted this guy who was basically the same size as West (and Banks was already on the team). Not sure what Ainge was doing here. Safe to say this one didnt pan out, but what make it worse was that he already had 2 guys who played the same spot. Absolutely terrible pick.
Gerald Green - selected 18th (2005) - While the jury might still be out, here's the bottom line. 17 teams passed on this guy and now he is the NBDL. Doesnt sound like a star to me. Any player who is worth something (even a high schooler) can find a way to get on the floor for an OK team. Green could not. That doesnt look good.
So out of 6 players only one, West, looks like keeper. And I'm chalking that pick up as luck since he already had Banks and drafted Allen right after him. Even a blind squirrel finds a nut. The rest of the picks are nothing but "potential" at this point that would be good bench guys for other good teams right now. Maybe some of these guys bounce around the league and manage to have a 10 career, but I dont see star players there (good players maybe).
Like I said look at the numbers and the production (high schoolers or not). It's just not there.
I didnt even comment on Ainge's actuall managing of the club through trades and free angent signings, but I'm not too impressed. After all, HE did hire Doc Rivers!