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DonkSlayer
$.5-$1 NL on Party

Hero is Lp1 ($101) with 9c-9h. Mp1 and Sb/Bb around $70, Mp3 with $105. I have not played pots with any of them and am multi-tabling right now, but anything less than a $5 raise has been consistently called by at least one limper, and the average pot size is relatively large for these blinds ($18).

Mp1 calls, Mp3 calls, Hero calls, Sb completes, BB checks.

A) Do you raise here? I didn't b/c I anticipated a call and would prefer to get paid off for flopping a set then forcing a bet with an over on the flop.


Flop comes 2s-9s-8h

Sb checks. Bb checks. Mp1 checks. Mp3 bets $3. Hero calls.

B. Do you raise here? If yes, why? If no, why not?



Sb calls $3. Bb raises to $10. Mp1 folds. Mp3 tanks a bit and calls.

C) What do you do here? Please assume that you just called the original $3.

Results ?in white? below:














[color=#FFFFFF]Hero goes all-in for $98. Sb folds. Bb tanks, folds. Mp3 calls with 10s-9s. Turn 8c. Hero wins $228.[color=#FFFFFF]
....Ian....
dont agree with the limping,

the flat call on the flopp is arguable but i tend to still raise (2 suits, 2 connectors)

i think you got lucky that the bet was raised on the flop, once it was you can jam, but maybe not that much (but thats debateable)
JSCME
I tend to play rather tight passive preflop on NL tables. I would limp preflop and then raise the flop. I dont want to give odds to the flush chaser behind me. Assumming I called the flop I would reraise the raise anywhere from 3-4x his raise. He will probably go allin then and hit his draw on the river.

***Now that I've read results I see that he didnt hit his draw. Nice.
Jordan
wait...wait....wait...

you think $18 is a large avg pot size at a $100 NL game???????

to me, that's pretty damn tight actually.

I look for games with 25bb and higher average pot sizes, ala bodog/pacific...

$18 is nada....find better games smile.gif

- Jordan
DonkSlayer
QUOTE (Jordan @ Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 2:12 PM) *
wait...wait....wait...

you think $18 is a large avg pot size at a $100 NL game???????

to me, that's pretty damn tight actually.

I look for games with 25bb and higher average pot sizes, ala bodog/pacific...

$18 is nada....find better games smile.gif

- Jordan


If you're quoting extremes like Bodog/Pacific, then I think $18 is on the large end of average for a .5/1 NL game (look at the blinds, not the buyin max; few buyin for the full $100 at these tables).

I also think people that seek out super-loose, crazy games are either A) cool-headed, can tolerate big swings better and play loose themselves or B)Donk off a bunch of money playing unbeatable tables. I tend to prefer games that get through a ton of hands, rather than the super-high average pot size. This maximizes my edge and keeps the swings from putting me on tilt. Just a personal preference.
Jordan
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 11:49 AM) *
If you're quoting extremes like Bodog/Pacific, then I think $18 is on the large end of average for a .5/1 NL game (look at the blinds, not the buyin max; few buyin for the full $100 at these tables).

I also think people that seek out super-loose, crazy games are either A) cool-headed, can tolerate big swings better and play loose themselves or B)Donk off a bunch of money playing unbeatable tables. I tend to prefer games that get through a ton of hands, rather than the super-high average pot size. This maximizes my edge and keeps the swings from putting me on tilt. Just a personal preference.


hmm

the looser the more beatable...at least at the lower limits, cause they are idiots...if you play higher limits and play "looser" opponents, more will know what they are doing, but at the lower limits it's a feeding frenzy. I've had my highest winrates at bodog and i used to play pokerroom network a lot and had success there as well..but whatever. to each his own...i prefer playing on a site with a sports book. LOL

- Jordan
DrawingDeadInDM
QUOTE (DonkSlayer @ Tuesday, March 14th, 2006, 6:48 AM) *
$.5-$1 NL on Party

Hero is Lp1 ($101) with 9c-9h. Mp1 and Sb/Bb around $70, Mp3 with $105. I have not played pots with any of them and am multi-tabling right now, but anything less than a $5 raise has been consistently called by at least one limper, and the average pot size is relatively large for these blinds ($18).

Mp1 calls, Mp3 calls, Hero calls, Sb completes, BB checks.

A) Do you raise here? I didn't b/c I anticipated a call and would prefer to get paid off for flopping a set then forcing a bet with an over on the flop.


It's fine. This isn't like, a televised final table, ya know? The value in pairs like 99 is from sets, not racing off our whole stack.

QUOTE
Flop comes 2s-9s-8h

Sb checks. Bb checks. Mp1 checks. Mp3 bets $3. Hero calls.

B. Do you raise here? If yes, why? If no, why not?


Ofcourse. Is that board not draw heavy enough for ya? You want it to just be 9s 8s 7s, instead?

QUOTE
Sb calls $3. Bb raises to $10. Mp1 folds. Mp3 tanks a bit and calls.

C) What do you do here? Please assume that you just called the original $3.


Get on the fast track. You got someone drawing, and someone who c/red you. You have the best hand right now, that much we know. Do not slowlplay yourself into someone's straight or flush.
Sea Wasp
Pre flop: You must raise here and play a heads up pot. Your reason for not doing so is understandable though and the mistake is not a huge one.

Flop: The board is such that you could lose your stack with top set. You have a flush draw and straight draws out there. You get worried on turn if a 7, Q or a spade hits. Thats 15 cards out of the deck. Against the field you are in bad shape.

To answer your 1st question you raise after the first bet to charge all the draws correctly. At these limits flush draws and open enders will not fold on the flop so make them pay. Dont let them see anything cheap.

It turns out you flat call. Fine. After someone else raises you must put them on a lower set or a huge drawing hand (which he had). Neither of these holdings are folding to any bet so you must push all in. Villian played his hand correctly and must call your all in. I think whatever happens here both your stacks go in on the flop and thats exactly how it should be.
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