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WestcoastCanuck
According to a SI poll (http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story/?ID=157685&hubname=), it is Sam Mitchell.

I have to say I disagree with that.
Hobbes
QUOTE (Rmunro @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 3:15 PM) *
According to a SI poll (http://www.tsn.ca/nba/news_story/?ID=157685&hubname=), it is Sam Mitchell.

I have to say I disagree with that.


Sports Guy would say Doc Rivers.

It's obviously Larry Brown. He's got the highest payroll in the league and he can't do anything with it.

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supertouch
QUOTE (Hobbes @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 3:19 PM) *
Sports Guy would say Doc Rivers.

It's obviously Larry Brown. He's got the highest payroll in the league and he can't do anything with it.

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a good chunk of that payroll is allan houston and shandon anderson. so it really isn't larry's fault.
Hobbes
QUOTE (Hobbes @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 3:19 PM) *
Sports Guy would say Doc Rivers.

It's obviously Larry Brown. He's got the highest payroll in the league and he can't do anything with it.

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QUOTE (supertouch @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 3:24 PM) *
a good chunk of that payroll is allan houston and shandon anderson. so it really isn't larry's fault.


I haven't had to use an "SW" in a while...
keith crime
yeah simmons dis on doc is clasic

but lets be fair and say isaiah was both the worst coach and worst exec of all time

Larry Brown got the clippers to the playoffs not much you can fault him for after that
Hobbes
QUOTE (keith crime @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 3:36 PM) *
yeah simmons dis on doc is clasic

but lets be fair and say isaiah was both the worst coach and worst exec of all time

Larry Brown got the clippers to the playoffs not much you can fault him for after that


And the worst commissioner with the whole CBA fiasco. It's a trifecta.

I was kidding about Larry Brown. I think it says a lot about Isiah's ineptitude that Larry Brown has succeeded everywhere he's been except New York.
keith crime
i do think larry has probably done a crappy job this year

when you don't have the talent to run your system you run another system

see Don Shula with Dan Marino

Larry would rather lose the right way than win wrong but clearly he's trying to sabatage zeke which i can't really argue with on any rational level
lvpro
Any Bob.

Bob Weiss...Bob Hill...the Sonics suck. I guess it doesn't really matter who's coaching you when you're rotating Johan Petro and Robert Swift (aka the ugliest man in the entire world) at center.
kers2
QUOTE (lvpro @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 9:29 PM) *
Any Bob.

Bob Weiss...Bob Hill...the Sonics suck. I guess it doesn't really matter who's coaching you when you're rotating Johan Petro and Robert Swift (aka the ugliest man in the entire world) at center.


Robert Swift kinda looks like that goofy redheaded kid from American Idol a few years back, but Chris Kaman has officially taken over Sam Cassell's title as ugliest man in the entire world.
Azreous
Larry Brown has had a good career, but he's been absolutely horrible this year. Yes, Isiah gave him a piece of **** roster to work with, but at the same time, he rotates players in and out of the lineup like musical chairs. How is it you give so few minutes to Frye, Ariza (before he was traded) and Robinson? What possible good does Eddy Curry and his atrocious assist/turnover ratio do playing 30+ minutes a game? And why would you ever put Rose, Marbury and Crawford on the floor at the same time?
NarSARSsist
QUOTE (Azreous @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 10:58 PM) *
Larry Brown has had a good career, but he's been absolutely horrible this year. Yes, Isiah gave him a piece of **** roster to work with, but at the same time, he rotates players in and out of the lineup like musical chairs. How is it you give so few minutes to Frye, Ariza (before he was traded) and Robinson? What possible good does Eddy Curry and his atrocious assist/turnover ratio do playing 30+ minutes a game? And why would you ever put Rose, Marbury and Crawford on the floor at the same time?


Lay off the guy. He's doing a damn good job winning a few games while staying en route to grabbing a first pick tongue.gif

I can't believe the Knicks gave up Kurt Thomas for Quentin Richardson. "Hmm...our new coach loves solid, aggressive defense. Let's give 'im a perimeter shooter." Good god what a jopke....
kers2
QUOTE (NarSARSsist @ Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 3:03 AM) *
Lay off the guy. He's doing a damn good job winning a few games while staying en route to grabbing a first pick tongue.gif

I can't believe the Knicks gave up Kurt Thomas for Quentin Richardson. "Hmm...our new coach loves solid, aggressive defense. Let's give 'im a perimeter shooter." Good god what a jopke....


Nope sorry. He's going to be grabbing a first pick for the Bulls because the Knicks traded their's to the Bulls. And it's not lottery protected either, great job Isiah
keith crime
If Isaiah Thomas is running your team - you will never be in the lottery

oh sure your team will be one of the worst but he'll have traded the pick for some guy with a huge contract that everyone thought would be a star 5 years ago

I will say he has never made a trade as bad as the Ted Stepien

Lottery picks for guys from expansion drafts - Mike Bratz! - he was the king
LAS22
I'm still a fan of the concept that players win or lose games. Granted coaches are an important part, but I've never seen a coach miss a FT or a defensive assignment that caused his team to lose the game.

Also, most coaches have little control over the amount of talent they have. Any coach looks bad when his team has very little ability.
Hobbes
QUOTE (LAS22 @ Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 11:37 AM) *
I'm still a fan of the concept that players win or lose games. Granted coaches are an important part, but I've never seen a coach miss a FT or a defensive assignment that caused his team to lose the game.

Also, most coaches have little control over the amount of talent they have. Any coach looks bad when his team has very little ability.


Coaching is all about putting your players in the best position to succeed. Maybe the coach hasn't blown a defensive assignment, but maybe he put a bad defensive player in a key defensive position. Maybe he didn't miss the free throw, but maybe he shouldn't have had their worst free throw shooter out on the floor trying to protect a one-point lead with 5 seconds left.

The majority of credit/blame should go to the players, but coaches can make a huge difference.
supertouch
QUOTE (Hobbes @ Wednesday, March 8th, 2006, 3:35 PM) *
I haven't had to use an "SW" in a while...


sorry i didn't pick up on the sarcasm there, i automatically go into defense mode for larry because he gets bashed so much here.
Hobbes
QUOTE (supertouch @ Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 1:40 PM) *
sorry i didn't pick up on the sarcasm there, i automatically go into defense mode for larry because he gets bashed so much here.


No worries; it would've been more obvious if you had seen all the Isiah bashing going on around here.
runthemover
warriors fans know the truth. worst coach is whoever sits in our chair. right now it's mike montgomery (what a crappy signing by Mulllin btw)
kers2
QUOTE (runthemover @ Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 8:27 PM) *
warriors fans know the truth. worst coach is whoever sits in our chair. right now it's mike montgomery (what a crappy signing by Mulllin btw)


Why did you guys get rid of EMuss? I thought he was a good coach.
runthemover
yea muss was ok, we had no good players when he was around. problem was players didnt listen to him after a while. i'd like a proven NBA coach that the players will respect (at least a bit) instead of the college coaches or guys that dont have head coach experience we always hire
Guest
QUOTE (kers2 @ Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 6:06 AM) *
Nope sorry. He's going to be grabbing a first pick for the Bulls because the Knicks traded their's to the Bulls. And it's not lottery protected either, great job Isiah


I never said they're keeping it... icon_biggrin.gif
NarSARSsist
QUOTE (Guest @ Friday, March 10th, 2006, 12:30 AM) *
I never said they're keeping it... icon_biggrin.gif


Whoops, forgot to log in dry.gif
kers2
QUOTE (Guest @ Friday, March 10th, 2006, 1:30 AM) *
I never said they're keeping it... icon_biggrin.gif



lol it's all good. That was a dig on Isiah not you. He is atrocious (Koop that was my word first... I'm keeping it)
NarSARSsist
QUOTE (kers2 @ Friday, March 10th, 2006, 12:44 AM) *
lol it's all good. That was a dig on Isiah not you. He is atrocious (Koop that was my word first... I'm keeping it)


A dig on Isiah? Shame on you! Nobody in this league is working harder to prove a point than Isiah....not that it's a good point icon_doh.gif
LAS22
QUOTE (Hobbes @ Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 12:01 PM) *
Coaching is all about putting your players in the best position to succeed. Maybe the coach hasn't blown a defensive assignment, but maybe he put a bad defensive player in a key defensive position. Maybe he didn't miss the free throw, but maybe he shouldn't have had their worst free throw shooter out on the floor trying to protect a one-point lead with 5 seconds left.

The majority of credit/blame should go to the players, but coaches can make a huge difference.



I honestly don't think that happens much in the NBA (putting a bad defensive player in or worst FT shooter). It happens a lot in HS and sometimes in college. Coaches do make a difference, but ultimately when you make a few million a season (speaking about the NBA), you should be able to perform at a very high level.
Hobbes
QUOTE (LAS22 @ Friday, March 10th, 2006, 5:22 AM) *
I honestly don't think that happens much in the NBA (putting a bad defensive player in or worst FT shooter). It happens a lot in HS and sometimes in college. Coaches do make a difference, but ultimately when you make a few million a season (speaking about the NBA), you should be able to perform at a very high level.


Those were extreme examples to make a point. I don't see what money has to do with it; if somebody gave me $100 million to play in the NBA I would still suck. Everybody is a millionaire in the NBA, so a good coach can make one millionaire slightly better than another millionaire.
LAS22
QUOTE (Hobbes @ Friday, March 10th, 2006, 7:56 AM) *
Those were extreme examples to make a point. I don't see what money has to do with it; if somebody gave me $100 million to play in the NBA I would still suck. Everybody is a millionaire in the NBA, so a good coach can make one millionaire slightly better than another millionaire.


Good point. I just figure that with the amount of money a guy makes, demands him to perform at a high level regardless of who his coach is.

I guess the money thing is always a sticking point for me. I know that pro sports make 100's of millions of dollars and I think the athletes should be well compensated. But when a guy makes 7 million a season and only hits .250, I have a problem with that. I am all for rewarding those who perform, but disagree with giving an average player a huge contract.
mahad228
QUOTE (keith crime @ Thursday, March 9th, 2006, 9:40 AM) *
If Isaiah Thomas is running your team - you will never be in the lottery

oh sure your team will be one of the worst but he'll have traded the pick for some guy with a huge contract that everyone thought would be a star 5 years ago

I will say he has never made a trade as bad as the Ted Stepien

Lottery picks for guys from expansion drafts - Mike Bratz! - he was the king


Isiah destroyed the Raptors and now he is ruining the Knicks. Who signs Jerome James( a guy who averages 3 ppg) to a 70 million dollar contract?
And for your information, New York's pick went to Chicago. They had a chance to pick second. Nice Job Isiah. New York is the garbage dump of the NBA. If a team doesn't want their overpaid player, just send him to New York. How do you think Marbury, Francis, Crawford, Rose, Q-Rich and Curry got there?
oldirtyharry
DOC F-ING RIVERS!

F HIM IN THE FLIPPIN A
greatwhite
This year it was Larry Brown. I feel ashamed to be a Knicks fan right now.
fckthis
Larry Brown
king_tanner
I refuse to call Larry Brown bad at coaching. Any team with Stephon Marbury is F'ked
zimmer4141
Flip Saunders anyone?
The Nuts
Mike Dunleavy.

I only say that because my father lived in the same neighborhood as him when he was kid and always thought he was a little ****.
custom36
Isiah Thomas AINEC
WestcoastCanuck
I find it interesting that not one person who has replied thinks Mitchel is the worst in the NBA.
sdnuol
QUOTE (zimmer4141 @ Sunday, July 30th, 2006, 7:18 PM) *
Flip Saunders anyone?


yeah he pretty much fucked us
princeof56k
QUOTE (sdnuol @ Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 10:45 AM) *
yeah he pretty much fucked us


SW? I've seen this statement in so many other places that I cant tell anymore.
sdnuol
basically he did a great job during the regular season getting us to the best record in franchise history, but he just didn't have an answer in the post season. Brown would have gotten the pistons to the finals because he is more experienced and just better IMO.
princeof56k
QUOTE (sdnuol @ Wednesday, August 23rd, 2006, 1:54 PM) *
basically he did a great job during the regular season getting us to the best record in franchise history, but he just didn't have an answer in the post season. Brown would have gotten the pistons to the finals because he is more experienced and just better IMO.


I strongly disagree here. Right now I think Flip is getting a raw deal and Detroit fans are giving Brown way too much credit.

Yes Brown did coach the Pistons to a title in 2004, but people often overlook several important factors. In 2003, Rick Carlisle took the team to the Eastern Conference Finals. Then in 2004 Joe Dumars went out and greatly improved the team. He made some small imprtant aquisitons but none was more important than Rasheed Wallace (without him they dont win the title). There's also the fact that the current players had another year of experience together (most of the key players werent even on the team in 2002) and how Tayshaun Prince was now a 2nd year player. All of those factors were way more important than Browns coaching.

Then look at 2005. I thought this team was almost as good as the title team (they lost some valuable bench guys). In the Eastern Conference Finals, it took them 7 games to beat the Heat. And how people quickly forget what happened in that series. Shaq and Wade (who was only in his 2nd season) were beat up. Hell, Wade even missed game 6 ENTIRELY! The Heat were up in that series 3-2. Wade got injured and the Pistons capitalized. I'm sorry, but Larry Brown was not the reason they won that series.

In 2006, the Pistons lost to the Heat in 6 games. Now this may look like Flips fault if you totally ignore several factors. The Pistons basically kept the 2005 team together (which was a good move IMO). However, the Heat went out and made significant changes to their squad and improved the overall team. Shaq came into the series more rested than the year before. And more imprtantly Wade was healthy and had improved his game. So basically the Heat had an improved squad and the Pistons had the same team. Considering what happened in 2005, is it any suprise that the Heat won? Flip should take a small part of the blame, but the bottom line is the Heat were the better team.
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