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Wingmaster05
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Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ad], [4s].
UTG raises, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 5 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) [Th], [5d], [4c] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (7.75 BB) [3h] (5 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 bets, Hero raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls.

River: (11.75 BB) [9h] (2 players)
Hero checks
Abbaddabba
You can peel on the flop for one closing action in that size a pot...

But you should be folding preflop.


And the turn is crazy.

People are often checking here to UTG anticipating his bet, either because they're scared or because they're waiting to checkraise.

MP1 is rarely completely full of it here. He peeled on the flop with _something_, and probably would gladly take a free card if he had just a draw.
Actuary
I refuse to read past your preflop call.
That is horrible

Did you photo shop that?
Zach6668
This hand is just strange.

I don't know what to say.

- Zach
Absolute
Open fold the flop!

sw

actually, seriously, open fold.

sw

no, seriously
Wingmaster05
Whoops...lol.

Ignore pot odds then?

I like to think i can let go of a bad ace a flop if needed.

You;re calling this with A4 suited, no?
Actuary
QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Friday, March 3rd, 2006, 10:12 PM) *
You;re calling this with A4 suited, no?



no doubt.
Huge differnce.
Absolute
QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Saturday, March 4th, 2006, 3:12 AM) *
Whoops...lol.

Ignore pot odds then?

I like to think i can let go of a bad ace a flop if needed.

You;re calling this with A4 suited, no?


I don't dislike the preflop call as much as I do the flop call. You are getting 9.5 to 1 with A4.

A4 is a drawing hand iwth multi way pot potential.

I used to try to get in a lot of multiway pots with hands like these knowing I could create +EV situations for myself postflop.

Obviously don't be the fool who creates action when you just hit top pair with it.
Wingmaster05
so avoid easily dominated hands in bb (duh)...
(slowly takes a step back)

About a week ago i noticed my blind stats were worse than most (money wise), and my play was about as weak tight as you could get. My strategy was basically avoid playing in the blinds.

Lately I've been more liberal in calling raises from the big blind, especially late po. raisres and to good success so far. I guess i started to get use to that idea...? Variance can be nice sometiems.
Absolute
QUOTE (Wingmaster05 @ Saturday, March 4th, 2006, 3:45 AM) *
so avoid easily dominated hands in bb (duh)...
(slowly takes a step back)

About a week ago i noticed my blind stats were worse than most (money wise), and my play was about as weak tight as you could get. My strategy was basically avoid playing in the blinds.

Lately I've been more liberal in calling raises from the big blind, especially late po. raisres and to good success so far. I guess i started to get use to that idea...? Variance can be nice sometiems.


OK.
There is a "standard" for the lines you want to keep in these games. Its not a bad idea to keep your stats close to these standards.

But even at low limits you have to adapt to the table and to how you feel. Sometimes you KNOW you are on your game, you feel instinctive, and you know you are playing very well.

Pokertracker can't tell you how you need to play at these times. Don't ever rely too much on the few % points you need to move up and down in the smaller areas. If you feel the way you are playing suits your game and your "feel" of the game, you will probably be a winning player.

Way too often players adjust to have "good" PT stats and lose their personal feel of the game.

Again, I think PT stats are important. (Especially the Aggression factor stats) but try to avoid using them as a crutch.
Wingmaster05
QUOTE (Absolute @ Friday, March 3rd, 2006, 10:27 PM) *
I don't dislike the preflop call as much as I do the flop call. You are getting 9.5 to 1 with A4.

A4 is a drawing hand iwth multi way pot potential.

I used to try to get in a lot of multiway pots with hands like these knowing I could create +EV situations for myself postflop.

Obviously don't be the fool who creates action when you just hit top pair with it.



I really don't understand what you are saying.

What's wrong with the flop?

QUOTE (Absolute @ Friday, March 3rd, 2006, 10:50 PM) *
OK.
There is a "standard" for the lines you want to keep in these games. Its not a bad idea to keep your stats close to these standards.

But even at low limits you have to adapt to the table and to how you feel. Sometimes you KNOW you are on your game, you feel instinctive, and you know you are playing very well.

Pokertracker can't tell you how you need to play at these times. Don't ever rely too much on the few % points you need to move up and down in the smaller areas. If you feel the way you are playing suits your game and your "feel" of the game, you will probably be a winning player.

Way too often players adjust to have "good" PT stats and lose their personal feel of the game.

Again, I think PT stats are important. (Especially the Aggression factor stats) but try to avoid using them as a crutch.


I've heard that advice before but it must not have registered. I definitely don't want to tune my game to stats, I just wanted to make a note of my blind play and look for places where my brain says "you're in the big, just fold it" and instead decide if it was playable.
Actuary
Wing,

Absolute does not relize you hit a pair on the flop.
If he still recommends folding the flop, then wait for the meds to wear off

yeah, I managed to recover and read the rest.
pf is aweful!
I'd call with 67 off
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