Alrighty.. so I took a walk after the first AA hand, and missed a few hands. I play one hand, then get up to go grab a magazine or something because 3/6 live is incredibly boring. Dealer asks if I'm in, and I say sure...

I'm in the BB with AA again. Suits don't matter, except I don't have a diamond.

Preflop: There's like 5 limpers, I raise, all call.

Flop: J93 (2 :icon_suit_diamond: s)

SB bets, I raise, UTG calls, MP calls, SB calls, rest folded.

Turn: 6 :icon_suit_diamond:

SB bets, I raise, UTG calls, MP folds, SB puts his last 1/2 bet in and is all in.

River: Qx

SB is all in, Hero bets...

Main pot is like 15 BB, side pot is 1 BB.

READS - SB is my buddy. He's a decent player, I've tried to teach him, but he does weird, inexplicable stuff sometimes, he will gaybet, but never with the nuts... its very strange. I've been trying to get him to come to the forum, since he actually wants to learn to play better, but for some reason he doesn't. He gaybet a 4-straight, flush board with 2 pair on the river, and got raised... I couldn't figured it out... anyways... there's no real reason to suspect he has anything, especially because he was out of chips at the table, so he could easily be betting just to get it all in.

UTG is a regular. Regular does not mean great. Most of the regulars are loose passive fish anyways, but know a bit about cards. He fits the bill. He is loose preflop, but doesn't necessarily take his hands as far as the average fish.

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Zach

I think I c/c river.
Pots so big folding would be impossible yet I know this passive fish has me beat if he raises. UTG is passive, but calling 2 cold twice smells of a pair on flop + FD on turn, type hand. Unless he takes Jx this far and never 3-bets top pair, I think you catch a missed draw and save bets against timid two pairs and see SD for 1 BB against beter hands.

You don't value bet this?
Seriously?

Either of them are very likely to have AJ.

don't tease me Absolute
If you're going away again for a while, just leave now.

hey, you aren't "related" to Wang are you?

I was about 6 months late into this forum, missed some history.

I was busy owning these forums when you were in diapers.
I still read occassionally. I have bee playing the Turbo STTs on party (tons of money there).

But my limit game is still rock solid.
Do you know anything about this Protege thing? Is it too late for me to go win that?

no, I don't know anything about the Protege, except I know there's a lot of info out there.

yeah, you're name is all over the old strategy, I used to read you a lot.
then I know you re-appeared a month or so ago.

I'm pretty old guy, so I may have been out of diapers at that time.

I'm with Absolute on betting this.

There's a good chance that you are still ahead, and even if you are behind to SB, you can at least get some value from the other player since the pot is so big, which prices him in to call with a lot of worse hands than yours.

If he had a flush, he would have raised the turn.

Lot's of weaker hands will check behind, but not bet if checked to. So betting = $$

Also, even if we get unlucky and UTG nails two pair, or even a straight, I think he'd be very hesitant to raise this river. Betting loses the same amount as checking, but we win more from the weaker hands.

he bets missed draws sometimes.
he may even check behind with Two Pair.

btw, I don't always raise turn with flush here.

I just think he played it like a draw enough to let him bluff here.
And we have to lose two if he raises.

given it's Actuary vs Absolute+Omega,
clearly, I'm correct.

If he is a donkey, his range of hands we beat that he plays like this beats the range of hands that beat us enough so to make betting valuable.

Prove me wrong.

He doesn't bet missed draws. Ever.

SB is all in, he can't do anything else.

His calling two cold scared the crap out of me all along, but in these games, he could have 22.

Seriously Actuary, get out to a casino sometime. Online is great, casino is just so profitable as players are worse at higher levels. We may get a 10/20 or a 5/10 going tonight, I think I may sit in a 5/10 since it's the same fish.

- Zach

ok, if he never bets missed draws, then fire away.

Does he ever raise < two pair?
That tells you whether its a b/f or not


when he never bets with air here, then you are left with being more of a favorite against hands he calls with than hands he bets with.

I'd be really inclined to bet given he is passive/loose, too, and pot big, you get paid off with any piece.

not need to fight Absolute on this one anymore

Yeah, he's almost never raising, like maybe .01% of the time.

actuary is correct on the turn, raising with no redraws is retarded in multiway pot that saw that flop 6 way... fast way to lose money

secondly, low limit games like live 3/6 game, i would much rather see the river for the same price as putting in a raise...you have 1 pair people, with no diamond redraws, so if someone does have a made hand, you're getting 3 bet or even if they dont 3 bet you're putting in money when you have 0% equity, which isnt a large equity edge....

I know these guys too well. I'm raising with the best hand VERY often here. Seriously, this guy could peel with ONE heart on the flop, or whatever the flush suit was, backdoor draws are like gold at these places. The fish eat them up. I wanted to charge him for whatever draw he had. Seriously, he's not a tricky player either. He's 3-betting with a flush 99% of the time here. And he doesn't have to have it all that often.

- Zach

EDIT - FWIW, I contemplated for a minute or two about what to do on this turn when my buddy gaybet me again, turned out it was a clear raise to me. If SB has the flush, I'm making a side pot against a loose passive player that I probably have beat.

rwood,

Actuary meant he does not always raise when he HAS A FLUSH on this turn. But will wait till river and trap my man Zach. I'd rasie this turn in Zach's shoes all day with his reads, especially.

Heck I don't open with 99 from MP 3 and I don't 3 bet my nut FD 3 handed against Zach. I'm twicky! or dumb