FCP, first hand at table
RISE is BB with 3 :icon_suit_club: 5 :icon_suit_spade:

PF: UTG1 limps, MP2 limps, SB folds, RISE checks

Flop:(3 SB) 2 :icon_suit_club: 3 :icon_suit_diamond: 4 :icon_suit_spade:
RISE bets, UTG raises, MP calls, RISE 3-bets...


too much? I figured my equity was good enough to 3-bet

I'll often call, setting up a nice c/r.
You're just running wth the edge a bit sooner, it ok, imo.

is that like running with scissors? cause thats what i feel like im doin tonight...

I must be missing where your edge is at. Its only 3 way. Its unlikely your 5 outs are good. If an A or 6 hits you might be splitting. No need to push an edge that isnt there. Even if you have a slight equity edge that is neutralized by you most likely losing the ability to checkraise the turn and by how a turn check UI defines your hand.

I'd count my 5 outs as half outs. which makes about 1.5, 2 3's, and 3-4 As plus 4 6's, none of which I think have me splitting.

so somewhere around 10.5-11 outs making me like 35-40% to improve by the river. i have enough equity to be raising. you'd reraise a flush draw + a pair wouldnt you? it's almost exactly the same.

being able to get a c/r in on the turn didnt even occur to me. i just wanted to push my equity.

I highly doubt your 5 outs are worth 1.5. Donkeys love Aces.

- Zach

Nope. If I have K8 clubs on a 3 :icon_suit_club: 8 :icon_suit_heart: 10 :icon_suit_club: board you see how different it is?

On this board you almost always have 14 clean outs.

On your board i'd give yourself 1 out for the five, 2 outs for the three, and 3 outs each for the Ace and six. I really cant think of 2 reasonable hands the villains would have that give you your full set of outs.

Also if you're 35% is it really worth pushing the slight edge OOP when you can push a bigger edge on the turn if you improve.

that still gives me 9-10 outs (I give myself full 4 outs for the 6, i dont think any of those are tainted) which is still somewhere around 35% equity (rough estimate)

I see waiting for turn to c/r if I make my hand being better than 3-betting the flop, but i dont see how 3-betting can be that bad.

Outs: two A's to a probable split, four 6's, almost two outs for the 3's, maybe .5 outs for the 5's, 1.5 for bdfd-- roughly 9.5 outs or so. Pot equity roughly 38%. You're contributing 33% to the pot. I think the raise is borderline...

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I didn't do too bad. I agree with post directly above me-- waiting for the turn to check-raise is probably better, but the flop play isn't that bad.