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yourboygsarida
alright i am super frustrated because of hands like this that have killed my bankroll over the last week. please tell me what i could do better besides fold preflop, which i really regret not doing. sorry i dont have the hand history because i was so frustrated i closed the table right away

absolute 6+1 sng blinds at 25/50.
sb: 1600
bb:2000
hero:1350
button:1800

dealt kh, qh utg and flat call. i hadnt seen any hands to this point and generally would have thrown this away but i figured i might see a cheap flop.
folded to button who calls. sb raises to 150, bb folds, i call, button folds.
flop: Qd, 7s, 8c.
sb bets 150. I raise to 350 and he calls.
At this point I have no read but am pretty sure I'm ahead, basically looking to push as long as an ace doesnt hit the board.
turn: 10h
sb checks. hero bets 400. sb raises all in for 800 total. Hero calls and is all in.
pot committed at this point and really think im still ahead

river: 2c




sb shows: straight, 6 to 10.
hero shows: one pair, queens.


any advice on what to do here??
copernicus
QUOTE (yourboygsarida @ Thursday, February 23rd, 2006, 9:59 PM) *
alright i am super frustrated because of hands like this that have killed my bankroll over the last week. please tell me what i could do better besides fold preflop, which i really regret not doing. sorry i dont have the hand history because i was so frustrated i closed the table right away

absolute 6+1 sng blinds at 25/50.
sb: 1600
bb:2000
hero:1350
button:1800

dealt kh, qh utg and flat call. i hadnt seen any hands to this point and generally would have thrown this away but i figured i might see a cheap flop.
folded to button who calls. sb raises to 150, bb folds, i call, button folds.
flop: Qd, 7s, 8c.
sb bets 150. I raise to 350 and he calls.
At this point I have no read but am pretty sure I'm ahead, basically looking to push as long as an ace doesnt hit the board.
turn: 10h
sb checks. hero bets 400. sb raises all in for 800 total. Hero calls and is all in.
pot committed at this point and really think im still ahead

river: 2c
sb shows: straight, 6 to 10.
hero shows: one pair, queens.


any advice on what to do here??


KQ can be a dangerous hand from early position and can be folded at an aggressive table, because it will have to be folded to a raise. That said, limping with it is the worst thing you can do. Not only does limping invite the usual assortment of drawing hands, but allows weak aces to stay in, which is usually the problem hand. Put in a standard raise preflop.

SB's raise probably is fairly strong, but not as strong as a normal blind raiser since you showed weakness and its folded around to him. I would put him on 99+, AJ+,AQ+,KQ. You raise too much for him to play a draw and he calls. That probably tightents things up a lot, yet he didnt raise you back. That probably eliminates any hands that arent pairs or dont have a Q. At this point I would be very concerned that he's got AQ or an overpair.

I would have tried to call the hand down from there, and he gives you an opportunity to keep the pot small on the turn at least, but you play at him and he takes you all the way. I would put him on TT or AQ and would have folded if he pushed the river after a turn that was checked down.

With the pot size as big as it is youre committed and have to call.
gregdon8
QUOTE (copernicus @ Friday, February 24th, 2006, 6:27 AM) *
KQ can be a dangerous hand from early position and can be folded at an aggressive table, because it will have to be folded to a raise. That said, limping with it is the worst thing you can do. Not only does limping invite the usual assortment of drawing hands, but allows weak aces to stay in, which is usually the problem hand. Put in a standard raise preflop.

SB's raise probably is fairly strong, but not as strong as a normal blind raiser since you showed weakness and its folded around to him. I would put him on 99+, AJ+,AQ+,KQ. You raise too much for him to play a draw and he calls. That probably tightents things up a lot, yet he didnt raise you back. That probably eliminates any hands that arent pairs or dont have a Q. At this point I would be very concerned that he's got AQ or an overpair.

I would have tried to call the hand down from there, and he gives you an opportunity to keep the pot small on the turn at least, but you play at him and he takes you all the way. I would put him on TT or AQ and would have folded if he pushed the river after a turn that was checked down.

With the pot size as big as it is youre committed and have to call.


after seeing the way the hand played I think he has KK...I agree that you should raise preflop. I think folding Kqs is a little too tight for my liking but I like being agressive and feel comfortable with post flop decisions

I like the flop raise as a feeler bet. I may bet round 200 on the turn and fold to a raise, leaving you with 600 and blinds of 25-50 not too bad a shape ( i know about the odds you are getting on the call adn it would be an auto call in cash game, but in a tourney those chips are too valuable). Any raise there I think is a sure bet that you are beat either by AQ or KK, and possibly AA.

I dont think he has TT as I would expect a larger preflop raise...
_Great_Dane_
QUOTE (yourboygsarida @ Thursday, February 23rd, 2006, 6:59 PM) *
alright i am super frustrated because of hands like this that have killed my bankroll over the last week. please tell me what i could do better besides fold preflop, which i really regret not doing. sorry i dont have the hand history because i was so frustrated i closed the table right away

absolute 6+1 sng blinds at 25/50.
sb: 1600
bb:2000
hero:1350
button:1800

dealt kh, qh utg and flat call. i hadnt seen any hands to this point and generally would have thrown this away but i figured i might see a cheap flop.
folded to button who calls. sb raises to 150, bb folds, i call, button folds.
flop: Qd, 7s, 8c.
sb bets 150. I raise to 350 and he calls.
At this point I have no read but am pretty sure I'm ahead, basically looking to push as long as an ace doesnt hit the board.
turn: 10h
sb checks. hero bets 400. sb raises all in for 800 total. Hero calls and is all in.
pot committed at this point and really think im still ahead

river: 2c
sb shows: straight, 6 to 10.
hero shows: one pair, queens.


any advice on what to do here??


Best advice is to raise preflop with this hand. It's a good hand and you want to eliminate junk like 6,9o preflop.
copernicus
QUOTE (gregdon8 @ Friday, February 24th, 2006, 4:26 PM) *
after seeing the way the hand played I think he has KK...I agree that you should raise preflop. I think folding Kqs is a little too tight for my liking but I like being agressive and feel comfortable with post flop decisions

I like the flop raise as a feeler bet. I may bet round 200 on the turn and fold to a raise, leaving you with 600 and blinds of 25-50 not too bad a shape ( i know about the odds you are getting on the call adn it would be an auto call in cash game, but in a tourney those chips are too valuable). Any raise there I think is a sure bet that you are beat either by AQ or KK, and possibly AA.

I dont think he has TT as I would expect a larger preflop raise...



We're bascially in the same place except I dont like a "feeler" bet on the turn. We cant get anymore information here than if we wait and see what he does on the river. A small bet here can easily be interpreted as showing weakness and hoping to buy the pot cheaply and encourage him to play back at us now or on the river.

By waiting to see the river card and leaving the action to him we have more control of the hand than if we give him to opportunities to bet us out of it.
yourboygsarida
thanks for the help. his flop bet just didnt scare me, and I didn't think he had a big pair. I was a little worried about aq but his bet on the flop made me think he didn't hit it at all(i was somewhat right)
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