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suicideking
I have two hands in question that I would like input on.

Hand #1

Full Tilt Poker Game #450720062: Table Maui (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:47:34 ET - 2006/02/19
Seat 1: tiltster ($24.30)
Seat 2: Liberateurdolla ($25.75)
Seat 3: shadey4 ($8.25)
Seat 4: nickv31 ($12.15)
Seat 5: suicideking ($32.55)
Seat 6: SLOpoker ($44.95)
suicideking posts the small blind of $0.25
SLOpoker posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #4
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to suicideking [8c 8h]
tiltster folds
Liberateurdolla calls $0.50
shadey4 raises to $1
nickv31 folds
suicideking raises to $2.50
SLOpoker calls $2
Liberateurdolla calls $2
shadey4 calls $1.50
*** FLOP *** [Ts Js 7d]
suicideking checks
SLOpoker checks
Liberateurdolla checks
shadey4 bets $5.75, and is all in
suicideking has 15 seconds left to act
suicideking calls $5.75
SLOpoker folds
Liberateurdolla folds
shadey4 shows [Ks Qs]
suicideking shows [8c 8h]
*** TURN *** [Ts Js 7d] [6c]
*** RIVER *** [Ts Js 7d 6c] [As]
shadey4 shows a Royal Flush
suicideking shows a pair of Eights
shadey4 wins the pot ($20.45) with a Royal Flush
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $21.50 | Rake $1.05
Board: [Ts Js 7d 6c As]
Seat 1: tiltster didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: Liberateurdolla folded on the Flop
Seat 3: shadey4 showed [Ks Qs] and won ($20.45) with a Royal Flush
Seat 4: nickv31 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 5:kingsuicide (small blind) showed [8c 8h] and lost with a pair of Eights
Seat 6: SLOpoker (big blind) folded on the Flop

I think maybe raise more preflop was my mistake here. I probably should have folded the flop, but I really felt he was on a draw. Any input on this one?


Hand #2

Full Tilt Poker Game #450732410: Table Maui (6 max) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 22:52:53 ET - 2006/02/19
Seat 1: tiltster ($18.30)
Seat 2: Liberateurdolla ($36.60)
Seat 3: shadey4 ($19.45)
Seat 4: nickv31 ($12.15), is sitting out
Seat 5: kingsuicide ($19.25)
Seat 6: SLOpoker ($39.95)
kingsuicide posts the small blind of $0.25
SLOpoker posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to kingsuicide [Ac 6c]
tiltster calls $0.50
Liberateurdolla calls $0.50
shadey4 folds
kingsuicide calls $0.25
SLOpoker checks
*** FLOP *** [Qs 6s 6d]
kingsuicide checks
SLOpoker checks
tiltster checks
Liberateurdolla bets $1
kingsuicide calls $1
SLOpoker raises to $6
tiltster folds
Liberateurdolla calls $5
kingsuicide raises to $18.75, and is all in
SLOpoker raises to $39.45, and is all in
Liberateurdolla folds
SLOpoker shows [8d 6h]
kingsuicide shows [Ac 6c]
Uncalled bet of $20.70 returned to SLOpoker
*** TURN *** [Qs 6s 6d] [8h]
*** RIVER *** [Qs 6s 6d 8h] [2c]
SLOpoker shows a full house, Sixes full of Eights
kingsuicide shows three of a kind, Sixes
SLOpoker wins the pot ($43.50) with a full house, Sixes full of Eights
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $45.50 | Rake $2
Board: [Qs 6s 6d 8h 2c]
Seat 1: tiltster folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Liberateurdolla folded on the Flop
Seat 3: shadey4 (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 4: nickv31 is sitting out
Seat 5: kingsuicide (small blind) showed [Ac 6c] and lost with three of a kind, Sixes
Seat 6: SLOpoker (big blind) showed [8d 6h] and won ($43.50) with a full house, Sixes full of Eights


On this one, I do not know what I could have done situationally, I think it is just a suckout. Anything on this one?
suicideking
before you wonder about my names neither is my playing name, i changed it so you could ID me.
Limit Player
I'm not a fan of reraising with 8's in hand #1. But since we did, I think you're stuck folding this highly coordinated flop with 2 players left to act after you.

Hand #2 is one of those s*** happens situations. Neither of you were folding your six and QQ can be eliminated since it was an unraised pot preflop.
KowboyKoop
Hand #1. Don't mine the reraise TOO much preflop..but if you're gonna do it, you probably should have reraised more to try and thin the field. That or just call and play for set value. As is....don't call that all in....beating nothing but a draw...and there are even a lot of draws that are favorites over you..such as any OESD + two overcards or any flush draw + two overcards. Fold this flop.

Hand #2. Drink a beer. Nothing you can do.
Peak01
Hand #1 Easy fold after the flop for me on this one. Fold, and look for a better place to get your money all-in.

Hand #2 Now this is a hand I will get my money in every time. Can't help the outcome but make sure you play that the same way next time.
krup24
Hand 1

Call Min Raise, Fold the Flop


Hand 2
Happens
suicideking
Yeah, thanks for the input guys. Normally I would have folded hand #1 in that spot, but it was a situational call. He didn't have much more to call, and they way he bet it compared to the other hands he played made me think he was on a draw. Obviously I did not expect that BIG of a draw, but I didn't think I was beat yet. Hand 2 I figured I was just screwed like most of you said.
nomad_monad
QUOTE (suicideking @ Tuesday, February 21st, 2006, 6:12 AM) *
Normally I would have folded hand #1 in that spot, but it was a situational call. He didn't have much more to call, and they way he bet it compared to the other hands he played made me think he was on a draw. Obviously I did not expect that BIG of a draw, but I didn't think I was beat yet. Hand 2 I figured I was just screwed like most of you said.


I think you were almost there with your read. You're on the right track when you say you put him on a draw based on past actions and his betting pattern. But I think that giving more thought to the actual texture of his draw would have made your decision really cut and dried. The key piece of info you are leaving out is that he raised pre-flop and then called your re-raise. If you are really putting him on a draw, the chances are that he is on a draw with a couple of overcards (rather than a small suited/connector/both draw) based on the preflop action.

This means that he is probably in there with an open-ended straight draw + overs, a flush-draw + overs, or an open-ended straight flush draw (which is what he had). As KowboyKoop already mentioned, in this case you are at best even money and more likely an underdog.

Also, assume that he wasn't on a draw. What else could he have here based on the flop and action preflop and postflop? He min-raised, then called, then raised all-in on a coordinated board. If he's not on a draw, then he is likely trying to protect a big pair (that he semi-slow played preflop by min-raising), TPGK, or a set. Given the action, you lose to him even when he's not on a draw.

Given the two likeliest possibilities and that you lose in both, I think it's a pretty clear fold here regardless of your read.
96roadster
Hand one is an easy lay down. Im not even sure why you posted hand 2 as your got your money in as a favorite, just got sucked out on, nothing you can do about that.
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