1/2 nl
New to table, so no reads. Only 3 hands into it, so I'm still right at $200
Get dealt JQ sooooted in MP. I limp. One more limper plus the two blinds.
Flop comes J J 6 rainbow.
Both blinds check, as do I.
Other MP limper bets $4.
Blinds fold. I raise to $20.
Villain goes all in and has me covered by $30.
Hero...?
Full Version: do you go broke here?
Calls if he has suffient BR
Folds if he wants to wait and get some reads
Folds if he wants to wait and get some reads
QUOTE (krup24)
Calls if he has suffient BR
Folds if he wants to wait and get some reads
Folds if he wants to wait and get some reads
I opted for #2. the weak lead/all-in said I might be in trouble.
He showed me 6's over Jacks.
I fold there as well. Relatively easy fold in my mind with no read on the player. That reraise makes me think aj, i dont think the average player makes that move with much less.
QUOTE (oldirtyharry)
I fold there as well. Relatively easy fold in my mind with no read on the player. That reraise makes me think aj, i dont think the average player makes that move with much less.
Yeah, I usually give people credit at 1/2 nl until they prove to be donks -- I rationalized that J-10 might be the only hand I have dominated here.
Also, it was still a small pot when he pushed, so I didn't see many reasons to chance my whole stack. Turns out the guy was a pretty solid player. He busted three people and built his own stack up to $900 before quitting.
QUOTE (oldirtyharry)
I fold there as well. Relatively easy fold in my mind with no read on the player. That reraise makes me think aj, i dont think the average player makes that move with much less.
I disagree.
I think that, quite often, AA makes this move, as do KK, QQ, JT, J9, sometimes A6, sometimes TT, 99, 88, 77.
It's a crazy raise, so there is a case to be made for folding, but I think we're ahead here more than often enough to call.
I'd lay this one down and get some table info first. 3 hands--AJ, KJ, 66-- beat us, though AJ is less likely. However, it's unlikely that villain pushes here with anything less than KJ, which is what I'd put him on. I think that Rasty is definitely right in that a lot of aggressive players make this play with QJ, JT, or J9. And villain may be a maniac, but I wouldn't risk it here. From reading your posts, I think that you seem like a very intelligent and solid player, so I would remain patient and pick a better spot.
QUOTE (Rasty)
QUOTE (oldirtyharry)
I fold there as well. Relatively easy fold in my mind with no read on the player. That reraise makes me think aj, i dont think the average player makes that move with much less.
I disagree.
I think that, quite often, AA makes this move, as do KK, QQ, JT, J9, sometimes A6, sometimes TT, 99, 88, 77.
It's a crazy raise, so there is a case to be made for folding, but I think we're ahead here more than often enough to call.
I'm leaning toward ruling out AA, KK, QQ. This was an unraised pot preflop, and even though it was only my 4th hand at the table, there had always been some kind of preflop raising.
Since I had no reads on villain because I just joined the table, he had no reads on me. I can't imagine villain making the moves you said after a new player reraises him on the flop.
I think this one is very straightforward, and even though it's a hard fold for me to make, I have to be reasonable and realize that trips Jacks with only one in the hole is considerably weaker and more obvious than a set, so if someone pops back and goes all-in, chances are they're sitting on something big.
QUOTE (Limit Player)
1/2 nl
New to table, so no reads. Only 3 hands into it, so I'm still right at $200
Get dealt JQ sooooted in MP. I limp. One more limper plus the two blinds.
Flop comes J J 6 rainbow.
Both blinds check, as do I.
Other MP limper bets $4.
Blinds fold. I raise to $20.
Villain goes all in and has me covered by $30.
Hero...?
New to table, so no reads. Only 3 hands into it, so I'm still right at $200
Get dealt JQ sooooted in MP. I limp. One more limper plus the two blinds.
Flop comes J J 6 rainbow.
Both blinds check, as do I.
Other MP limper bets $4.
Blinds fold. I raise to $20.
Villain goes all in and has me covered by $30.
Hero...?
yeah to start off i dont like the limp of JQ, ide really like to see a raise put in with this hand or a fold, i think there are good points for each argument.
You could fold and wait to get a better read on you oponents or call and hopfully double up he didnt seem to be disurbed by the JJ on the board. as there was no raise preflop im not putting him on AJ or KJ maybe a hand like J 10 suited or J 9 suited, maybe 66 but i still think your QJ us good
I fold preflop.
Considering you didn't, I probably call there. I wouldn't be surprised to see this play made with J10 or J9 suited.
Nice laydown.
Considering you didn't, I probably call there. I wouldn't be surprised to see this play made with J10 or J9 suited.
Nice laydown.
QUOTE (Limit Player)
QUOTE (oldirtyharry)
I fold there as well. Relatively easy fold in my mind with no read on the player. That reraise makes me think aj, i dont think the average player makes that move with much less.
-- I rationalized that J-10 might be the only hand I have dominated here. Yeah, I usually give people credit at 1/2 nl until they prove to be donks Also, it was still a small pot when he pushed, so I didn't see many reasons to chance my whole stack. Turns out the guy was a pretty solid player. He busted three people and built his own stack up to $900 before quitting.
At the casino I usually play at I'm pretty close to the opposite, from experience I classify most players as donks until they show me otherwise, if I have not played much with them I try to look at general patterns, like loud vs. quite, drinking or old lady vs young flashy looking kid, and general body language. But in general I agree that the fold here was smart and why put all your money in with no info when you can wait and have a much higher percentage situation.
QUOTE (silkyjonson)
QUOTE (Limit Player)
QUOTE (oldirtyharry)
I fold there as well. Relatively easy fold in my mind with no read on the player. That reraise makes me think aj, i dont think the average player makes that move with much less.
-- I rationalized that J-10 might be the only hand I have dominated here. Yeah, I usually give people credit at 1/2 nl until they prove to be donks Also, it was still a small pot when he pushed, so I didn't see many reasons to chance my whole stack. Turns out the guy was a pretty solid player. He busted three people and built his own stack up to $900 before quitting.
At the casino I usually play at I'm pretty close to the opposite, from experience I classify most players as donks until they show me otherwise, if I have not played much with them I try to look at general patterns, like loud vs. quite, drinking or old lady vs young flashy looking kid, and general body language. But in general I agree that the fold here was smart and why put all your money in with no info when you can wait and have a much higher percentage situation.
I completely agree with you regarding casino play. Even though I play limit, usually 5/10, I classify most as donks until they show me something.
However, I've always thought that the average 1/2 nl online player is much better than the average 1/2 nl casino player -- at least when comparing online to Foxwoods and Vegas, the only two places I've been.
In fact, I am thinking of taking a good chunk of my tax return ($5100) and using it toward a B&M bankroll. But anyways, I digress...
QUOTE (Limit Player @ Monday, February 20th, 2006, 4:14 PM) 
-- I rationalized that J-10 might be the only hand I have dominated here. Yeah, I usually give people credit at 1/2 nl until they prove to be donks Also, it was still a small pot when he pushed, so I didn't see many reasons to chance my whole stack. Turns out the guy was a pretty solid player. He busted three people and built his own stack up to $900 before quitting.
At the casino I usually play at I'm pretty close to the opposite, from experience I classify most players as donks until they show me otherwise, if I have not played much with them I try to look at general patterns, like loud vs. quite, drinking or old lady vs young flashy looking kid, and general body language. But in general I agree that the fold here was smart and why put all your money in with no info when you can wait and have a much higher percentage situation.
I completely agree with you regarding casino play. Even though I play limit, usually 5/10, I classify most as donks until they show me something.
However, I've always thought that the average 1/2 nl online player is much better than the average 1/2 nl casino player -- at least when comparing online to Foxwoods and Vegas, the only two places I've been.
In fact, I am thinking of taking a good chunk of my tax return ($5100) and using it toward a B&M bankroll. But anyways, I digress...
At the casino I usually play at I'm pretty close to the opposite, from experience I classify most players as donks until they show me otherwise, if I have not played much with them I try to look at general patterns, like loud vs. quite, drinking or old lady vs young flashy looking kid, and general body language. But in general I agree that the fold here was smart and why put all your money in with no info when you can wait and have a much higher percentage situation.
I completely agree with you regarding casino play. Even though I play limit, usually 5/10, I classify most as donks until they show me something.
However, I've always thought that the average 1/2 nl online player is much better than the average 1/2 nl casino player -- at least when comparing online to Foxwoods and Vegas, the only two places I've been.
In fact, I am thinking of taking a good chunk of my tax return ($5100) and using it toward a B&M bankroll. But anyways, I digress...
Why play the hand in the first place?? thats as good as it gets unless you just looking to flop a straight..
Doesn't matter how u got there... you'll have to pay it off!
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