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Adam
This happened to my friend, and it sparked a lot of debate between me and him.

The game is $1/2 at the River Rock Casino in Canada.

He is in the SB with 8-7 offsuit. And has about $650 in front of him.
$LP has 800. The MP has $150.

8 limp in, he completes, BB checks.

Flop: 9-10-J rainbow. Pot: $16.

Everyone checks around to LP limper who bets $15. Friend calls, MP calls.

Turn: 4. Pot: $45.

My friend checks, MP checks, LP bets 25. My friend raises to $75. The MP folds and the LP after a little delay raises to $150. My friend pushes all in, because his read on the LP was a set, and the LP instant calls.

River: 9.

My friend looks over anxiously to see what the LP has. They both freeze up because the board paired, but the LP shows K-Q for the near broadway straight.

I absolutely hate my friend's play on the turn. He's still learning, but I believe there's better ways to play his hand. This player was loose, but smart, as is the game usually up there. Sets don't reraise a check raise on that turn. They call, and see a river. At the $1/2 game up at this casino, there are maybe 5 maniacs that play that game, but none ever bluff on a reraise without the nuts or second nuts.

The way he played it, he basically said: "I have a straight." The way the other guy played it said: "It couldn't be more obvious that you have a straight, and I'm going to take all of your money."

Now the alterior way I suggest he played it was just call the reraise on the turn, or muck it. The way I would've played it (because I'm stubborn like that :? ) was just call the $75 more, and lead out on the river, with a $100 bet, if the board pairs. That's an awesome defensive bet and freezes up the K-Q. If the river comes, let's say, an Ace, still lead out $75, and if you get raised, reasses.

He keeps telling me that he's going to go broke on that hand everytime. I disagree. I am 100% that my way is the better way to play it, but am looking forward to your comments, as I love talking/learning about poker.

OH, and juct calling the flop is bad too, IMO. I forgot about that.
Spence
Raise the flop. Tough hand to get away from though.
Eastwood Jr.
QUOTE (Adam)
This happened to my friend, and it sparked a lot of debate between me and him.

The game is $1/2 at the River Rock Casino in Canada.

He is in the SB with 8-7 offsuit. And has about $650 in front of him.
$LP has 800. The MP has $150.

8 limp in, he completes, BB checks.

Flop: 9-10-J rainbow. Pot: $16.

Everyone checks around to LP limper who bets $15. Friend calls, MP calls.

Turn: 4. Pot: $45.

My friend checks, MP checks, LP bets 25. My friend raises to $75. The MP folds and the LP after a little delay raises to $150. My friend pushes all in, because his read on the LP was a set, and the LP instant calls.

River: 9.

My friend looks over anxiously to see what the LP has. They both freeze up because the board paired, but the LP shows K-Q for the near broadway straight.

I absolutely hate my friend's play on the turn. He's still learning, but I believe there's better ways to play his hand. This player was loose, but smart, as is the game usually up there. Sets don't reraise a check raise on that turn. They call, and see a river. At the $1/2 game up at this casino, there are maybe 5 maniacs that play that game, but none ever bluff on a reraise without the nuts or second nuts.

The way he played it, he basically said: "I have a straight." The way the other guy played it said: "It couldn't be more obvious that you have a straight, and I'm going to take all of your money."

Now the alterior way I suggest he played it was just call the reraise on the turn, or muck it. The way I would've played it (because I'm stubborn like that :? ) was just call the $75 more, and lead out on the river, with a $100 bet, if the board pairs. That's an awesome defensive bet and freezes up the K-Q. If the river comes, let's say, an Ace, still lead out $75, and if you get raised, reasses.

He keeps telling me that he's going to go broke on that hand everytime. I disagree. I am 100% that my way is the better way to play it, but am looking forward to your comments, as I love talking/learning about poker.

OH, and juct calling the flop is bad too, IMO. I forgot about that.


On the turn, given the situation, worrying about the nuts while not wanting to fold the third nuts, I really like your idea. It would have been tough to put the LP limper on a set in this spot. I think thats a real bad read for two reasons. 1. A late position player dealt 99, 1010, or JJ might raise pre flop in this hand. All those limpers and a medium pair will often induce a big raise. 2. Someone with a set, most likely would not be trapping on the turn. 45 is a decent pot for a 1/2 game. If the LP limper had a set on the turn he would probably bet about the size of the pot just in case your friend was drawing at a king high straight.

In this case the LP limper led weak, got raised then doubled the bet. You are right to smell the nuts here. Just calling the LP limpers raise, then defensive leading at the river would have been a good play under the circumstances. It would acheive both objectives 1. Worrying about the nuts and 2. Still being able to show down your straight. Don't be too hard on your friend though, after all, when the money went in he was holding the third nuts (albeit drawing dead).

As one last note, the way the LP limper played this hand doesn't show much respect for your friend. It was almost as if he felt he could keep baiting the fishy along with little nibblers until he gave away all his chips. This is not the way you play agianst a strong opponent because every time you put in the next raise you reveal more strength, so normally one wouldn't make that suspicious double reraise on the turn.
Peak01
I would of pushed more on the flop but with 8 people seeing the flop i would always be careful. would not shock me with that many seeing the flop that someone would turn that over.
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