FCP, generally passive pf...not usually this loose though

RISE is MP1 with Q Q

PF: UTG2 posts blind
UTG calls, UTG1 calls, UTG2 checks, RISE raises, 1 fold, MP3 calls, CO calls, button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG1 calls, UTG2 calls

Flop: (14 SB) K 9 J
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG1 checks, UTG2 checks, RISE bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG1 calls, UTG2 calls

Turn: (10.5 BB) J
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG1 checks, UTG2 checks, RISE....



thats basically the worst possible card that could've come for me. with everyone calling the flop, should I even bother betting?

man, you remind me of Aseem on Pacific.
Your tables are phenomenal, but it's tough for me to realize its profitable to be called down by junk all the time..until I realize the monster pots you must win.

I probably bet call. The pot is big, check-folding here is too weak. The J of clubs isn't as bad as you think, because now you can also improve to a full on the river, and if you do, chances are you'll get alot of action.

yeah, i seem to get myself into a bunch of pots like these. I stick around with 2nd pair (like the AQ hand) because for all that I'm in, I'm making a ton more money winning just a couple of these pots (well, ton of money for the stakes I can BR myself for right now, anyway)

I don't really have odds to draw to a 2 outer. Implied odds may make it close, though.

check out this hand from a few hands earlier on the same table....

RISE is button with A 5
4 calls, limper checks, RISE calls, SB folds, BB checks

Flop: (8 SB)2 4 9
BB bets, 1 fold, 2 calls, 1 fold, CO calls, RISE raises, BB 3-bets, 3 calls, RISE caps, 4 calls

Turn: (14 BB) 3
4 checks, RISE bets, BB calls, UTG raises, MP calls, 1 fold, RISE 3-bets, BB calls (all-in), UTG caps, MP calls, RISE calls

River: (29 BB) Q
UTG bets, MP folds, RISE raises, UTG 3-bets, RISE caps, UTG calls

Final Pot: 36 BB

You got 3 10's too.

3 discounted 10s. with all the calls on the flop someone very easily already has a flush. If not, a 10 may make JT a boat. I might be being paranoid, but I'd only count the 10s as 1 maybe 1.5 outs.

That's fair. It's also possible that you have 2 jack outs, but highly unlikely, as any K would beat that, but it's a possibility.

Think maybe 4ish outs total then?

is that enough to bet/call the turn?

i guess it would depend on who raises and who else calls, though. Still, I think getting raised on this turn sucks, and I'd rather check/call. There's almost no draw to protect my hand from aside from AT and they're drawing slim.

I think if I have Q this is a lot closer

how the hell do u find suuuuch fishy tables?

i find the ones with really high ppf%

its awesome when youre running good,

but if youre running bad it really sucks. I've had QQ beat by K3, 35, 22, 67, A3 and it ran into AA, all just today.

for example, last night I made 52 BB on one table, today i made 64 BB on one table, but I lost 25 and 32 on 2 others.