Hi

Playing 3/6 holdem at a local Casino. I'm in MP with As10h, 2 callers to me so I call. The button SB and BB call 6 of us to see a flop. Flop is Kd Qc Jd. It goes check check check then a bet. I put that person on a flush draw and call his bet waiting to see the turn.(Bad,Good??) Everyone else calls as well. Turn card is a 5d. Original bettor bets and I fold my flopped top straight. The guys ends up tabling 3d6d to win the pot. Question how did I play this hand (Eg. weak, stupid or whatever) many at the table wondered why I didn't raise the flopped bet.

How you play this.....

Fold preflop.

The turn depends on the guy. There are people that you might want to raise against, some you might want to fold against - but i think for the most part, you want to call down.


edit: oh shit, i misread the action. yeah, that's pretty terrible. raise the flop - people are going to call you with tons of shit and there's no guarantee that he leads the turn. If you DO just call, you definitely can never fold to the turn bet. ugly as hell.

shoot if you are comin into the pot w/ A10 you might as well raise it. I would also have raised the flop. You have to believe that a couple of people had a piece of the flop and would call you with lesser hands. I don't think you made the right play even though you would have lost anyway. Don't play or post the results here.

you jest?


Raise that freakn flop.

Limp PF is fine I think.
Bet that freakin flop. As you played it, raise that freakin flop.
Turn is wow. You have the freaking nut straight. Some dude bets in position on the flop and turn, and you automatically assume that he has a flush? What?

so you flopped the nuts and didnt bet and folded when it became the non nuts to one bet?

id say raise/fold pf, bet/raise flop, if a diamond hits and someone donks then call down.

So you put him on a flush draw (which doesn't really make sense seeing as this is a very coordinated flop) and didn't raise because evidently you hate money. Then you used your Xray vision/Helmuthian reading ability to fold the non-flush nuts on the turn to one bet.

TPMM

I will not post results again sorry...


Had a feeling my play of the hand blew ass and after considering the feedback. I should have bet preflop, raised the flop, raise or reraise the turn, regardless of what fell and live with the consequences.


Thanks for the feed back .....

I raise this preflop.

I also raise the flop. And call down and cry if donked into or c/r'ed.

- Zach

Don't feel bad...you're here to learn. That said:

Raise preflop. ATo is marginal, but probably leading what your average live 3/6 donkey will limp with. Because it's offsuit, it plays better with fewer opponents, but the raise is for value if a bunch of loose players call. It's a win-win raise for you.

Raise the flop. You have the nuts, and a lot of people will call 2 cold with weak draws at live low-limit tables. The flush drawer may even 3-bet, allowing you to cap with your straight. You probably have about 30-40% equity against a flush draw, two pair, and maybe a possible split draw versus another A or T. With that much equity against 5 other players, you wanna pump the pot on the flop. In the long run, you will make mucho bets with a raise here.

Preflop - I would not limp. I would either raise or fold, and I'd almost certainly raise. (if the limpers are ultra-tight, or the players behind me are semi-loose and extremely good, or if I had a tell that somebody still to act really liked his hand, would be reasons I might consider folding.)

Flop - I disagree with the other posters, I'm okay with the flop call. Anybody with a flush draw isn't going anywhere, and anybody with a gutshot is making a bad call. The flop might get raised, in which case you can 3-bet if you choose.

Turn- I would need a great read on the bettor to fold here (e.g. he always slows down if a flush card hits and he doesn't have the flush). Otherwise, I'd look to call down, and I'd fold if somebody raised, or if a 4th flush card hit on the river.

Also, if I make a big laydown, I'd need a very good reason to tell the table that I did so. Generally, the last thing I want is to give passive players who I'm comfortable folding against an excuse to start bluffing at me.

I have no idea where you guys get the "T" in your "TAG" rating (or in actuaries, case, the T in the TAP).

Im 19%VPIP and i fold A10off with two limpers in MP every time.

I'm a SLAP... no T !
I'm 22%.
But I don't raise this from MP, although, I'd much rather raise than fold, unless the limpers are super tighties, maybe.

Oh snap. You show up as a TAP in my database.

your presence dulls my senses

I'm 19.55% VPIP, and I play ATs and ATo all the time.

With ATo I'm 75% VPIP, and ATs, I'm 92%.

I'm winning with both hands, as a matter of fact, ATo is my 4th most profitable hand. Obviously it's a small sample, only 241 times over 28K hands, but I'm up $700 from it, or .70 BB/hand.

- Zach

I'm wondering about this. How much does the equity increase on 4th street if a non-club, non-board pair drops? Probably to 55-60%, right? Perhaps waiting for the increased turn equity is better, but by frig I love that flop equity (against 5 other players).

Plus, I hate to slowplay straights. Straights suck.

flop is an easy raise for value

The call preflop is OK, although *I* would have raised with the A10o in a loose, 6 handed game like this to a) find out where my hand, and more importantly, my Ace is at; and to try to buy the button. A 2 bet might also eliminate a hand like 3d6d preflop, but yet again the way some 3-6 limit hold em is played today, people will play just about ANY two suited cards (hell, this is even evident in 10/20 games). But yet again, it's all about how comfortable you are in playing this particular hand.



I don't like this play. If you find that a player is the type to raise on flush draws, you always go for the check-raise. Punish him for trying to semi-bluff you on the come.

You have the nuts, they don't come often; raise for value. You can't just call and say to yourself, "well, I might as well just call and wait to see the turn, they always catch anyways". That's bad poker. Although I understand your reasoning (and it's a VERY good read), but as long as you have it, might as well try ot get paid off with it.

If he has a flush draw, 9 times out of 10, he isn't betting the turn. He'll just check-call to try to catch his flush on the river. In check-raising on the flop, you guaruntee yourself that you'll get that extra bet when he DOESN'T hit. You might also get him to fold his 6 high flush draw (although I'd doubt it in a low limit game), but he MIGHT think, "crap this guy has Ad10d".

Plus it will set up your bluffs for later, as well as your value plays, because everything will look to same to the observant players to the table. They won't know where they are at against you when you bet.



Agreed. I wouldn't say sh*t. Just move on to the next hand and be happy in your read.....as it will help you in a later hand against this player.



Hear, hear on that. Espcially in f*ckin' Omaha.

I too lean towards most of the agreed actions. With a little different rationale.

Preflop: raise or fold. if you are going to play this hand, you want to shuffle loose the mortal coil any and all hands that you can. Narrow the field. Mostly you're hoping to see pairs either TPTK and if that's the case you don't need someone holding T2 in the BB wondering into two pair (or two dummy diamonds hitting a flush).

Flop: Call only because now I don't want to chase out calling money. As said, anyone with the flush draw is sticking around anyway and anyone paired with the board or on a str8 draw is terribly beaten, why chase those bets out? If you raise, you might lose a bet or two (opponents fold two bets that would have called one) that could have been gotten into the pot by calling.

Turn: I don't know how you made this fold, but good for you. Spidey-senses must have been honed. Not having spidey-senses of my own (at least I probably wouldn't have listened to them here) I would probably raise. And see who's serious about this hand. This is where I would have lost money on this hand and you saved money on this hand. Nice escape, and they don't call it hindsight for nothing. But even looking at hindsight...do you think you could have done something somewhere to keep this hand from drawing? seeing the flop? Back to the notion of the preflop raise or fold.