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Preflop: Hero is BB with [Ad], [As].
6 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4 SB) [Ac], [Kd], [3c] (2 players)
SB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3 BB) [5d] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

River: (3 BB) [3d] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB folds.

Final Pot: 4 BB

No specific question on this one, but this line is unorthodox. So far, I had battled this guy a few times, every time I showed aggression I had a big hand, so trying to switch it up a bit.

FPS IMO

A 3-bet pre-flop is mandatory, he can't put you on a strong hand from a 3-bet in a blind battle, so you're just missing out on value pre-flop, especially if he's going to cap it.

Flop is fine, the turn is once again looks like fps to me, this can work against a very aggro opponent but I think you have to have a read that he's going to lead the river with air, and even then it's questionable. Making this play 'just because' is losing a lot of value.

Sry if I'm not up with terminology, but what is FPS?

Fancy play syndrome, I think Sklansky came up with it? I'm not positive.

I think there can be a good argument for slowplaying in this situation pre-flop.

The fact that it is HU gives us much less of a chance of getting drawn out on, and when we expoit equity, say by raising pre-flop, we are only gaining 1 SB.

If an opponent is known to be hyper-aggro or you are in a blind battle, that 1 missed SB is EASILY more than made up in later rounds when you give the villain the initiative to keep betting, so I don't feel like a pre-flop three-bet is mandatory.

From a metagame standpoint it's also good because it doesn't narrow down our range at all, so in future blind battles when we just call villain's raise there will be no way for him to put us on a hand.

For the same reasons, I don't feel like a flop raise is mandatory. You want to keep encouraging him to bet into you, and extract on the turn.

The turn is where I have a problem. If the board scared him enough to check/fold the turn, then he's just going to check/fold the river as well. I feel the turn lends itself to more bluffing because there is the implied threat of a river bet, so someone could easily bluff/raise you here, trying to outplay you on the turn since your bet seems more out of a response to his weakness rather than your own strength.

I think that a bet on the turn is necessary, in case he bet out on the flop with a flush draw. I don't mind the preflop play though

I think PF is just fine actually. About the only situation where I wouldn't raise AA in lhe is when you're heads up, with position on an aggressive opponent. I'm assuming he's aggressive since you didn't give us a read, but there aren't many passive 15/30 players I'd imagine.

That said, I think you have to bet that turn. It might look to him like you're just betting to steal the pot and he'll call you with more marginal hands.

Jeff

Meh, about pre-flop, what's your normal 3-betting range here Zim?

I'm expecting Zimmer to have a pretty wide 3-betting range here, which makes the 3-bet with AA so good. If sb has a strong hand he'll cap it into us and keep the lead after the flop, if he just calls he still won't be able to put us on a monster.

My normal 3-betting range is any A, any K7+, any 20, and any PP. I just felt like this was a good switch-up play, considering I had hammered him all day, and I didn't think he was going to call me down again considering I had shown down a good hand every time I played aggressively against him.

this was essentially my thinking. i'm feeling pretty results-oriented, so i don't have too much to add, but it seems like there's a few places (preflop, turn) where he will likely call you with nearly anything, since your bet looks so blufftacular.
again, being results-oriented, but seems like he doesn't call many hands on the river that he wouldn't call on the turn. you may induce a bluff, but judging by the rest, seems not that likely.

Wow. I can't believe youve been here so long and dont know what FPS means. :-)

Zim,

I think if you underrepresent your hand pf, you should typically play it hard on the flop.

I also think that in blind battles, you should 3-bet your good hands here all the time, since you are 3-betting with a lot of trash too.

I actually dont mind not 3 betting pf here, as long as you think forfeiting one small bet pf will at least make it up to you postflop due to the disguise.

Flop play is fine, you have so much of it unlikely his hand can take much heat.

What are you doing checking the turn? Dont like this play at all.
You are giving free cards to two gutshots, and 2 flushdraws (admitedly you would think he would bet out again if he had FD). Yeh, bet the turn, if he folds he folds., sometimes you hit monsters and cantdo anything about it.

After flat calling preflop, raising the flop is mandatory, IMO. Just flat calling a flop with AKx is really suspicious, especially in a blind battle.

On a totally related note: find a new table. Everyone folded to the blinds when you were holding AA. Take that as a bad sign.

I hope you're joking here. Many times at higher limits, it comes down to a blind battle. Most everyone is relatively TAG, and with 2 aces out, not a lot of hands are left that would be raising.

usually attributed to mike caro

The more I think about this hand, the more I hate it.

I really think you made the minimum here.

Even getting past the preflop call... I think checking the turn through in position with top set is pretty inexcusable.

Yeah i bet the flop too. After he checks to you you might have gotten him to call a turn bet if he was drawing. It was possible for you to come away with one more BB there.

My normal 3-betting range is any A, any K7+, any 20, and any PP. I just felt like this was a good switch-up play, considering I had hammered him all day, and I didn't think he was going to call me down again considering I had shown down a good hand every time I played aggressively against him.


Yeah much better to let him draw to infinate implied odds.

good luck.

His turn check means:

He has nothing, so at best he might river a small pair and check/call. You win an extra bet maybe 1/8 times. You also maybe (very rarely) get him to bluff the river with something he wouldnt call (because he's drawing dead). So you, in some rare circumstances, win one extra bet.

He's doing a retarded ass check/raise, in which you miss out on upwards of 3 bets when he's drawing dead.

He's willing to call a bet on the turn on a draw, but not the river. You miss the fraction of a bet attributable to how often you'll win the hand.

He's willing to call down the whole way with a pair, and you lose one full bet.



Clearly it seems most likely that he has nothing. But when he does have nothing, it's only marginally better to check through than it is to bet. When it's any of the other 3 possibilities, it's a huge error to check through.





About preflop:

When you just call the raise preflop but then start giving action on the flop or turn, you tell them that you didnt like your hand preflop, but you do now; which implies that it has improved, and that if anything, you're more likely to have a pair. Nobody gives you credit for anything more than ace high when you 3bet in this situation.

just wanted to quote this because its always something i think about when consistently getting outdrawn tempts me to play passively. this is definitely applicable to a lot of situations. well said

daniel

Heh, you were multi-tabling and thought this was your NL MTT, right? lol.