In the first half Seattle looked completely confused on the drill, and Holmgren probably made a couple mistakes.

At the end of the game though, they keep saying that Holmgren should be going for the field goal, but I dont think that gives them the best shot at winning.

If they take the field goal, and get the onside kick, and score a touchdown, they still need the 2 pt. conversion. If they miss the conversion, they need another possession.

If they go for the touchdown, miss the 2 pt. conversion. You still only need 1 possession, but a TD this time.

I just think that you need to guarantee that you have a shot at winning by going for the TD.

Anybody have diferring opinions, I'm all ears.

they were a beaten team in the final minutes of that game. Between the "RIGGED" refs and their drops/feet outta bounds they just couldn't rebound.

I agree you gotta go for the td first. If you don't have that the FG is worthless. It's a lot easier to get into FG range then to score a td. Keep in mind they prolly didn't have much confidence in their kicker @ that point either. Missing 2 of 3 fg's even if they were over 50 will do that.

They were beaten, I agree, but Holmgren is taking a lot of flack for not going for the FG. It kind of upsets me, bc Holmgren is a damn good coach, IMO.

Good thing that you created a new thread for this. I know that it would have been too hard to just put this in one of the other 895 threads about the game, so congratulations.

not to mention how he butchered the last two minutes in the Denver - Green Bay super bowl :roll:

As a Green Bay fan, I hate being reminded of that.

Do you mean how he let Denver run it in for the TD? I think that took a lot of guts to do that and was probably the right play. It would've been very difficult for Green Bay to stop Denver and Terrell Davis for 4 downs. If they stopped them a couple times and then Denver scored, it would've left very little time on the clock. He had Brett Favre, one of the best at running the two minute drill, as his QB, so he chose to give him as much time as possible to score.

You are wrong. Sorry.

About the facts or the assessment of why he did what he did?

your assessment. The man should have had faith in his defense.

They had all 3 timeout left (if I remember correctly). While it may of been hard, they should of try to make their stand and keep it to a field goal. It would have left about 1:30 on the clock without timeouts which in football 2 minutes drills is an enterity.

That might be true, I don't remember the exact details. I can easily be convinced that it was the wrong call because I do believe that putting it on your team to make a play is almost always the right call. But, I think it's an interesting call and wouldn't say he "butchered" it.

No offense to anyone who has said otherwise, but this is an obvious choice:

Kick the field goal as quickly as possible. Then go for the touchdown.

Here is the simplest reasoning:

You can score a TD from midfield if you get the ball back with 1 second on the clock (see: Doug Flutie). You cannot kick a field goal from midfield.

Explanation:

Lets give some ideal scenarios. You get the ball back on the 20, work your way down to the other 30 with one minute on the clock. You, at this point, can either spike the ball or go for the endzone. You score on your fourth try to get into the endzone, make the 2 point conversion, but now you only have 20 seconds left on the clock.

The other scenario is this. You get the ball back on the 20, work your way down to the 30 with one minute on the clock. You spike the ball and kick the field goal. You onside kick, and get the ball. You now have a full minute to get to the endzone. This scenario maximizes the amount of time you will have to get into the endzone and attempt to tie the game, while removing the possibility that you will lose because you didn't have a chance to get the ball back. The only negative outcome of this that the other scenario offers is the fact that you will only get 1 shot at the two point conversion, but if you mess up the two point conversion the first time aren't you pretty much fucked either way?

a dead retarded monkey could have coached the steelers to victory there with the +EV rigged refs on their side...

Wouldn't all of the Steelers plays with a dead retarded monkey coaching look like the reverse-pass by Randel El? And since that was their most successful play all day, wouldn't that be the way to go?

Yeah but retarded monkeys don't have that cool chin. AT least not any retarded monkey I've ever seen.

Like you said though, remember Doug Flutie?


Your kicker has missed 2 of 3 in the game so far, and a 47 yd. FG is no gimme.

Also missing the FG means game over, there's no 2nd chance.

I understand your point, and it has merit, but with a weak kicker I think that taking 3 shots at the endzone, then kicking is a better play with 1 min. left from the 30.

Do you think that if you get the TD and then get the onside kick, you are going to have a better shot than a 47 yarder?

And I wouldn't call Kasay weak (his misses were Norwood type misses, not Kris Brown type misses), and even if he was a little nervous at that point, I would think he would be less nervous kicking a 47 yarder to get the game to 8 points than kicking a 47 yarder to tie the game.

My worry is that, at a minimum, you are going to use at least 30 seconds of your clock going for the endzone from the 30, and things like a sack or a complete pass and a tackle basically end the game, when you could get the ball back with a minute to play and have a shot at either getting closer to the endzone, or at best, having 4 full shots at the endzone.

You make a lot of good points, and I can't dispute most of them. I think the play is a lot closer than a lot of people are giving Holmgren credit for.

Yeah, I think my problem with the end of the game wasn't the decision that Holmgren made, it was that it didn't seem like he made a decision. I thought it was telling that they were only showing shots of Cowher on the sideline as Pittsburgh kept stopping Seattle in their ill-fated two minute drive, while they showed no shots of Holmgren. Perhaps this was because he had found a cute cheerleader and was talking to her, or perhaps this was because his bra strap was showing and it proved why he couldn't make a decision as to what he wanted.

My side question is, when did you know the game was over? For me, this happened at about 6:18 when Seattle came out to "Bittersweet Symphony". I saw that, and I immediately said, "How appropriate. No way Seattle wins this game now."

Billy Bizzle = Bill Simmons?

Snicker. I will not lie, I did see that. However, I can honestly say that I do have witnesses that heard me say "No way they win now" (and all of them agreed with me). Obviously, smart Billy's think alike. :-)

Little known fact, the officials actually switched the Seahawks song before the game...

You can win by scoring a touchdown. You cannot win by kicking a field goal. Save for OT.

Also, you play SOCOM3?

that BS officiating cost me $50. Screw that game.