I've been playing .50/1 for a while now, and I've been quite comfortable with my play and the play of the others I'm facing. I'm looking now though, at trying to clear some bonus' where playing 1/2 would be a huge advantage as far as time is concerned. Any opinions about the difference in play between .50/1 and 1/2?

Thanks,
Matt

Depends on the site really. Lots of people will tell you there's no real difference, and that both are infinitely beatable. The second part is true....both are beatable. .5/1 on FCP (or Party etc...) for example though is so fishy, you could be a winning player and still have serious leaks in your game that would sink you at 1/2.

It depends on the site and the time of day. I find Party 1/2 to be tighter than .5/1 but still mostly passive. UB 1/2 tends to be much tighter than .5/1 and a lot more agg (especially pre-flop) during the day but noticeably looser and more passive on weekends and esp weekend nights.

Oddly enough while they may be tighter most 1/2 players are not much "better" than your average .5/1 player. There's not really a big increase in trickiness and you'll still see plenty of chasing without odds. I think a winning .5/1 player can pretty easily be a winning 1/2 player if you just tighten up a bit esp from early position and do more blind stealing from late position.

I just got poker tracker recently, so I know my sample is still small, but I thought I'd list some of my stats in case that could help anyone determine how they think I might fare in a brief trip to bonus whore at 1/2.

VP$IP: 16.88
Went to SD: 37.04
Won $ at SD: 51.82
Rasied PF: 7.46
Flop Agg: 1.77
Turn Agg: 1.87
River Agg: 1.94

If there are any important ones I left out, let me know and I'll go get them.

~Matt

Personally I think that's too tight for .5/1 but you should do fine at 1/2.

You might consider a visit to .5/1 6-max. It'll teach you to avoid limping and cold calling pre-flop and how to steal and defend blinds. The swings at .5/1 6-max are probably worse than 1/2 full ring though.

pretty meaningless, unless we know the number of hands...but lets assume 100k.

as tight as your are preflop, your AF #'s s/b higher
are you raising and c/ring enoguh to protect /get value ?
especially the flop aggression number.

Also, you are not playing/raisng the right hands. How can you only find 17% of hands playable and <7.5% raisable?

are you on tables where you face a raise preflop a lot?


and I thought 1/2 was tough compared to .5/1. However, 1/2 is where I met the maniacs. w/o them I'd be a loser at 1/2. Now, I can play better at 1/2 having played successfully at 2/4 and learning more.

psujohn is dead on about being more pos aware as you leave .5/1.
that is surely a reason my 1/2 success was mediocre, initially.


you are too tight by the way!

AF is supposed to decrease as you get to later streets.

For some reason, yours gets higher as you approach the river.

That could imply that you're making pointless slow plays.

My stats indicate this weird trend too, although my sample size is only like 3k hands thus far.

Flop: 3.30
Turn: 3.42
River: 3.61

I don't slowplay hardly ever, but maybe I'm "waiting for the turn" too much? Or maybe I'm just running good with my draws?

3 point anything is chuck norris aggressive. does that include preflop too?

PFR% is about 12.

Chuck Norris aggressive is good, right?

Are you winning?

+4.6BB/100 over about 3k at 2/4. Sample is small though, my true win rate may be much higher (lol) or much lower. I think the small sample size could also contribute to the high aggression factors.

When I played about 4k hands of 2/4 before my harddrive crashed I was still winning at a rate of about 3BB/100, but I didn't have pokertracker to check my aggression stats.

I think it could also be that I'm running pretty good.

Well, I have no doubt that you are winning, based on your posts. I'm sure it's just the small sample size making the AF numbers a bit bigger than they should be, but you never know. Whatever works for ya!

Zach

perhaps no other factor is correlated with BB/100 less than AF.... at least as a stand along statistic

To an extent. I havent found a bigtime winning player with an AF below 1 or over 5.

And to respond to the OP


As far as the stats go.

I really dont mind the VPIP. Sure some will say its to low and all that but I know many players who beat decent stakes having a VPIP under 20. I think the problem here is that if you're that tight you need to be more aggro and you need to raise more preflop.

Im suprised im not the only one with ridiculously high AF figures. Except mine arent distributed like that.

I have it 4 for the flop, 3.5 turn and 1.75 river.


So overall, im
VPIP 19
PFR 11
Overall AF 3.2
WTS is 31.3
W$SD is 54



that's for 2/4, my .50/1 stats are a bit different.

How many hands?

Is anyone else a SLAA around here?

oh yeah..lots of winning players.

Screech and Aseem for one.

I was a SLAA until my VPIP dipped just below 20, and i now sit at 19. (which makes me a money bag)

I think now that im done bonuses on eurobet and back on party, my VPIP will gradually get back up to roughly 20, and ill be a happy face again.


Those figures are after roughly 15k hands at 2/4.

I'm a SLAA over 6500 hands, and currently working on tightening up juuuust a little more. VP$IP is 22.

My aggression numbers are 4.52, 2.89, and 1.87 for flop, turn, and river.

I worry how dangerous it is that I'm significantly beyond "Chuck Norris Aggressive."

SLAA's have company.

We SLAP's are pretty lonely.

It seems I'm a SLAP:

VP$IP: 24.84%
Went to SD: 36.72%
Won $ at SD: 50.00%
Rasied PF: 11.2%
Flop Agg: 1.84
Turn Agg: 1.64
River Agg: 1.46

This is only after 2K hands, though, at 1/2. meh.

I was a SLAA for most of the time I've been running poker tracker, then recently it changed to SLAP..

Some day I'll have time to play more and hit the 10k so I can post my stats. and just so I can play more

SLAA just sounds so much better than SLAP.

cha-ching is the only sound that matters.

Very true. And witty.

I was SLAA when I was killing .5/1...

Once I got up to 2/4, 3/6, I played a lot tighter, and apparently my aggression decreased a bit.

I'm still winning though, so I dunno...

I think Actuary has influenced me into calling down a lot more than I was before, and thus I'm not as aggressive on later streets as I was.

Either way, cha ching.

- Zach

I was SLAA when I was killing .5/1...

Once I got up to 2/4, 3/6, I played a lot tighter, and apparently my aggression decreased a bit.

I'm still winning though, so I dunno...

I think Actuary has influenced me into calling down a lot more than I was before, and thus I'm not as aggressive on later streets as I was.

Either way, cha ching.

Btw, I'm an eagle now.

- Zach

I would've replied to this sooner, but I've been out of town the past few days. Pre-flop I play SSHE tight table guidelines almost exclusively, this could account for the low VP$IP, yes? Should I open up a bit more with my PF standards? I'm still relatively new to the game, so I figured that by playing the tight table guidelines I could make sure I had a relatively good grasp on the game before I started playing more hands. BTW my sample size at .50/1.00 is about 15k hands, and my BB/100 is 4.24