Act like men and admit you guys didnt get it done and the Seahawks had plenty of chances.





20 reasons the refs' calls didn't matter...

1. The Refs didn't give up the longest run in SB history...Seattle's defense did.
2. The Refs didn't bite on a 43 yd trick play, Randle to Ward for a TD...Seattle's defense did.
3. The Refs didn't allow Ben to scramble around on a 3rd and 28 and complete a long pass to the 2 yd. line...Seattle's defense did.
4. The Refs didn't miss two field goals, that was Seattle.
5. The Refs didn't fail to step out of bounds late in the 1st half to stop the clock in Pitt territory in a crunch time situation...Seattle's offense did.
6. The Refs didn't let the 1st half clock tick down from 48 seconds all the way down to 13 seconds before finally running their next play at Pitt's 36 yd line...Seattle's offense did.
7. And on this play, 3rd down, 53 yds away from a FG, it wasn't the Refs who tried and failed to go deep for a TD rather than a safer 5-7 yd play and timeout setting up a much easier FG attempt....that, again, would be Seattle's offense.
8. The Refs didn't get confused by Pitt's zone defense and throw an INT...that would be Seattle's QB.
9. The Refs didn't let a little physical contact intimidate them from catching 4 very catchable passes...that would be the Seattle TE Jeremy Stevens.
10. With approx. 20 seconds left in the game, knowing they need a TD and FG, in no particular order, and in easy FG range on 4th down, it wasn't the Refs who ignored the FG and elected to throw up a prayer trying for a TD...that AGAIN would be Seattle.
11. The Refs didn't constantly punt deep into the end zone, repeatedly giving Pitt the ball at the 20 yd line...that of course was Seattle.
12. It wasn't the Refs who received a Christmas gift wrapped easy INT lobbed in perfect position to return deep into Pitt territory...the lucky beneficiary of that break would be Seattle.
13. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when a Steeler DB dropped an easy int early in the game...that too would be a break for Seattle.
14. It wasn't the Refs who caught a break when a Steeler WR dropped a very catchable TD pass...that break again would go to Seattle.
15. It wasn't the scapegoat Refs that received a break when a WR caught the ball, turned, stepped, was hit hard enough to cause a fumble, and then ruled INCOMPLETE...that would be of course, another chance for Seattle.
(this was an interesting call considering that after Troy's famous overruled Int, the NFL stated that it WAS a catch. If so, than this definitely WAS a catch)
16. The Refs werent the ones who caught a break when at the conclusion of a 2nd qtr play, as a Pitt DE was walking away, the Seattle Center blindsided the defenseless player, leveling him to the ground. This mysteriously unseen crime was again another break for Seattle.
17. It wasn't the Refs who got a break when Pitt QB Big Ben was blocked in the back as he pursued the DB who he'd tossed an int to...that again would go to Seattle.
18. It wasn't the Refs who stopped Seattle RB Alexander in a few key situations. That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
19. It wasn't the Refs who converted many of their 3rd downs yet stopped their opponent on 3rd down often...that would be the Pittsburgh Steelers.
20. And the very bottom line is this...On plays when there wasn't any penalties...One team made plays and one team didn't. The end result was the final score, 21-10 Seattle was outcoached and outplayed.

Get over it Seattle.

Every Steelers fan knows that the refs played a very large role in the game. No. It didn't single-handedly cost Seattle the game, but it definitely was a gigantic factor. This is an undeniable fact and that is all most people are saying. VERY few people are saying that Seattle lost just because of the refs.

steelers fans are just so happy at winning the worst super bowl everand being the worst team to ever win one

Holmgren thinks so....

im not a fan of either team, but i must say, the steelers got a lot of breaks by the refs...

there were 2 calls the refs messed up on that couldve chanded the whole game...

A. He was joking. He followed that comment by "but seriously" and then went on to talk about other sh*t. He was playing to the crowd..I am sure he was 50% serious and 50% joking.

B. I said "very few" people thought that the refs completely cost Seattle the game. Every knowledgable person knows that Seattle missed some opportuinities JUST like every knowledgeable person knows that the refs took a lot of their big plays away with phantom calls.

Homgren was speaking to a large group of Seattle fans who came out to congratulate the Seahawks on their season. Of course he's going to say something like that because that's what they want to hear.

it was not a gigantic factor, not even close. the only gigantic factors in the game were the steelers big plays that seatle couldnt stop. and im not a fan of either team and i didnt care who won.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs05/n...tory?id=2321636

You can't be serious. Phantom flags could have been as much as a 17 point factor. It was a HUGE factor in the game. If you think otherwise, then you are flat out in denial.

Bob Loblaw

Is this a rebuttal to something or are you just putting it out there so others can read the story?

Uh...yeah...what is the point of this??? Like...three fans are quoted as saying that they didn't like the refs officiating in the game. So!??!

rebutttal to Koop saying only a few Seattle fans think the refs are to blame.

This has become like the Bettis homecoming story. It started off as a big story until it was told over and over and over again until everybody was sick of hearing about it.

so you are saying that seattle lost just becuase of the refs, or at least mostly?

The refs totally changed the complexion of the game; we'll never know how things would've turned out.

:boohoo: :cry: :cry: :boohoo:

theres only 2 calls that you can really dispute. if one of them went the other way the steelers still probly would have scored on 4th and inches. if not the seahawks would have to start on their own 1 yard line. and the holding call, what are you gonna do? it was a bad call but those kinds of calls happen in almost every game. say what if all you want but the steelers played better and they won.

I'm not a Seattle fan, just commenting on what I saw.

And your avatar is awesome.

lol thanks

and that wasn't directed to you.. you just happened to be the person to post before me.

There was another one where I'm not sure about. On Darrell Jackson's 2nd "almost" touchdown, he caught the ball with one foot in bounds and the 2nd foot clearly landed out of bounds. However, that 2nd foot barely touched the pylon. What is the rule on that? I haven't heard many people talking about it, but I did hear one sports show say that if the foot hits the pylon it is considered in bounds. If that's true, then that's another TD taken away from Seattle.

I reiterate:

A. There were WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY more than two real close calls. There were a TON of OBVIOUS uncalled penalties on Pitt..such as a horse-collar tackle on Alexander when he was breaking free. Would have resulted in a 1st down deep in Pitt territory, but instead resulted in a missed FG i think?? There were WAY more than just two disputed calls.

B. Yeah..bad calls happen in every game, but not THAT many bad calls, and EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM went against Seattle.

C. I never said that Seattle lost the game "all" or "mostly" because of the refs. The refs CLEARLY helped out Pitt with a TON of atrocius phantom calls on Seattle and non-calls against Pitt. That changed the entire game, and there is no telling what would have happened otherwise.

D. Seattle, quite frankly, outplayed Pittsburgh for much of the game, and they DID make a lot of big plays, but just about every single one of them was taken away by a phantom call. You can't honestly tell me that Pitt played a very good game. One big run for Parker, one big pass play for Ben, and one good trick play. That is all. They didn't shut down anyone on defense, the flags did, and their offense didn't look that great for the most part. Seattle made their mistakes too, neither team played "good" overall, but the refs CLEARLY gave Pitt a big edge, and that was a factor. That is undeniable. EVERYONE knows it except those in denial or those that didn't watch the game.

They didn't even review that one I don't think. Hardly any replays shown on it, if I recall. I wouldn't doubt that being another missed call against Seattle.

As the biggest Seattle fan here, I have to say this....

Who cares?

Seattle needs to focus on resigning Alexander and Hutchinson right now.

And Steeler fans can stop gloating any time now.

I don't care, but I just can't stop myself from talking sports...

It's 2 days later and you want us to STOP?? BAHAHAHAHAHA

Talk to me at the end of July. I'll think about it then.

LMAO. Best pic ever. NH

Phantom hold huh....

if you go back and look at the super bowl thread, i comment on this right after it happened, and i STILL haven't seen the damn replay again, but i thought he hit the pylon pre-foot landing out of bounds, i havent really read anything about it and the announcers didnt say shit so i just assumed i was wrong...

and i still need to see a replay of the "hold" that brought back the pass to the 1, because it looked like there was a BLATANT offsidse on the defense to start that play

Actually....yeah...just about every person I have heard review that exact footage thinks that that is not a hold. I mean...the Pitt player still almost gets to the Qb........that's not really holding, that exact thing happens every single play. So, I agree with...EVERYONE else. That's not a hold, just blocking.

you wouldnt be arguing anything if you had picked the steelers to win. i know you are going to deny this but its true.

I hate both teams but I don't know how you can say they probably would of scored, like it's that easy. So what if they start on their one yard line it's still a 3-0 game. About the Steelers outplaying Seattle check out these stats:
Seattle is on the left and Pitt is on the right

1st Downs 20 14
3rd down efficiency 5-17 8-15
4th down efficiency 1-2 0-0
Total Yards 396 339
Passing 259 158
Comp-Att 26-49 10-22
Yards per pass 5.3 7.2
Rushing 137 181
Rushing Attempts 25 33
Yards per rush 5.5 5.5
Penalties 7-70 3-20
Turnovers 1 2
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 1 2
Possession 33:02 26:58

So who outplayed who? Any of these teams could beat eachother on any given day it just turned out Pittsburgh won this game. It would be interesting to see the game played with a neutral fan base instead of the 30 million Bettis fans. Regardless the Steelers won and thats all there is to say about that but the game still blew nutsack.

I hate both teams but I don't know how you can say they probably would of scored, like it's that easy. So what if they start on their one yard line it's still a 3-0 game. About the Steelers outplaying Seattle check out these stats:
Seattle is on the left and Pitt is on the right

1st Downs 20 14
3rd down efficiency 5-17 8-15
4th down efficiency 1-2 0-0
Total Yards 396 339
Passing 259 158
Comp-Att 26-49 10-22
Yards per pass 5.3 7.2
Rushing 137 181
Rushing Attempts 25 33
Yards per rush 5.5 5.5
Penalties 7-70 3-20
Turnovers 1 2
Fumbles lost 0 0
Interceptions thrown 1 2
Possession 33:02 26:58

So who outplayed who? Any of these teams could beat eachother on any given day it just turned out Pittsburgh won this game. It would be interesting to see the game played with a neutral fan base instead of the 30 million Bettis fans. Regardless the Steelers won and thats all there is to say about that but the game still blew nutsack.

If the playoffs were played over neither team would make it to the super bowl, much less win it, enjoy your fluke win pittsburg

Of course he wouldnt argue!!!!!! Well known fact on this forum.

it's really comical listening to people whine about the two or three calls that were "questionable" (that was a hold, ben was in, djackson pushed off) and they would have COMPLETELY CHANGED the game. whatever...who's to say seattle scores from the 1? who's to say that big ben doesn't respond to that with a fire under his ass and drives 80 yards to respond, putting seattle on their heels?

the refs didn't blow the game, holmgren did, and now he's looking for a scapegoat.

all that said, i respect doug quite a bit for not whining about the refs.

A. Those calls were a lot more than questionable. If they were "questionable," the media wouldn't be talking about it more than they are talking about the actual win.

B. ONCE AGAIN....noone is saying Seattle would have definitely won if the calls had been different. It would have changed the game without a doubt, and there is no telling what would have happened.

C. Yeah, holmgren had a real bad game too. That's why we aren't blaming the refs only. They f*cked up, 95 percent of people who watched the game know it, and all I/we are saying is that it was a factor.

KK is pretty much correct on this (IMO) - but more importantly, i've seen that Holmgren speech a few times, and it's pretty clear he was not serious. he said it jokingly to a crowd of seahawks fans. extremely few people will actually argue the refs lost the game for the seahawks.

i will say though, that my housemates and i counted 7 close calls that all went for pitt, and none for seattle. i think seattle played better, and played well enough to win. they did not play great though, and would not have "easily" won even if the calls had been even.

Just so you know, dannyg, you are my favorite poster. Usually a good voice of reason. Nice post.

Also...about whether the ball got across the goal line....I know one person who thinks/knows that he didn't get across the line...his name??? Ben Roethlisburgerqueen. He said so on David Letterman.

If if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if if....I turn on the TV today, I'll see the VL trophy in Pittsburgh.

I am enjoying the win. Thanks.

I hope you enjoy not knowing it's PITTSBURGH and I hope that you keep whining and make yourself look like the fuckin' idiot that you are.

PS. If my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

PPS. I think the "best" team in football is still the Colts. If this was baseball (7 game series), they win. Too bad it's not and WE WON.

No need to be a dick. Enjoy your texas teams.

Uh...like the Texas Longhorns!?!?!

Have you commented on how #37 looked like the average running back that he is?? Just wondering....

"Arrested Development" owns.

lol don't be an ass koop.

NFL obviously.. I love the longhorns.