Tournament Buy In: 20$
PPl: 180
Stage in tournament: 2nd, blinds 15/30
PPl left: 120
My chips: 2200
Limper 1- 2300
Limper 2: 2350
I pick up KK in late position and after 2 late postion limpers I raise 4X BB, blinds fold, limpers call. Flop comes 456 with 2 hearts, first player checks, second bets 240 what do you do?
I'll post outcome later.
Full Version: kk in late position
Make it 750 to go.
raise more preflop, at least 5-6x BB.
playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test. you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand. if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make. your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw]. you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.
playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test. you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand. if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make. your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw]. you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.
I would have raised much more preflop - Probably to 300 which might seem high but I'd be surprised if I didn't get at least one caller.
That flop stinks for you - with only 120 invested in the pot and it being fairly early with blinds at only 15/30, folding is definitely an option. Many of the hands that he could have spell trouble for you. With the board that coordinated, he could be leading with a set, two pair, lower pp, flush/staight draw.
The fact that you only bet 120 pre-flop makes me lean towards a fold as villain was more likely to play cards that love that flop.
That flop stinks for you - with only 120 invested in the pot and it being fairly early with blinds at only 15/30, folding is definitely an option. Many of the hands that he could have spell trouble for you. With the board that coordinated, he could be leading with a set, two pair, lower pp, flush/staight draw.
The fact that you only bet 120 pre-flop makes me lean towards a fold as villain was more likely to play cards that love that flop.
QUOTE (mk)
raise more preflop, at least 5-6x BB.
playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test. you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand. if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make. your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw]. you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.
playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test. you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand. if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make. your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw]. you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.
I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?
QUOTE (GABMAD)
I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?
Yes.
QUOTE (GABMAD)
QUOTE (mk)
raise more preflop, at least 5-6x BB.
playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test. you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand. if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make. your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw]. you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.
playing it as you did, i would make a raise of about 1/2 the size of the pot on the flop to put villain to the test. you'll find out immediately if he's committed to the hand. if he jams back, you'll have a difficult decision to make. your opponent really only likes his hand if he has [33-TT, 45, 56, 67, or a flush draw]. you aren't in great shape against that range, but you'll have to go with your read.
I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?
i probably would call with small suited connectors for that price, hoping to catch good and bust the raiser if he's holding a big pair. so uh... yes.
QUOTE (therrinn)
QUOTE (GABMAD)
I don't see how I can put him on 45, 56, or 67 seeing how he played it. Do u really see him limping and then calling a raise by someone who is out of position with that sort of hand?
Yes.
Deep Stacks - Low Blinds - Yes Yes Yes
The combo of a deep stack and low blinds is exactly when you want to play low suited connectors and small pairs out of position.
One of the biggest holes in my tounament play is probably my unwillingness to lay down KK or AA in a situation just as this one.
If i were playing, I'd probably bump him 3x his bet on that flop, and depending on his response decide what I was going to do...and then I'd realize that no matter what he does Im not laying my KK down
He could have anything from a straight/flush draw, to 77, to 45, to 78: the board is scary as hell but in the end I would decide there's too many hands that he would lead out with there that AREN'T beating KK and call when he moves in.
It'd be a lot different if I were late in the 750k about to burst the bubble: but early in a 180 man sng where I can just try again if Im wrong: I'd just run it.
No one can fault you for running it, although it can easly be argued that you should fold the hand. I dont really think there's a wrong play here: go with the gut.
If i were playing, I'd probably bump him 3x his bet on that flop, and depending on his response decide what I was going to do...and then I'd realize that no matter what he does Im not laying my KK down
He could have anything from a straight/flush draw, to 77, to 45, to 78: the board is scary as hell but in the end I would decide there's too many hands that he would lead out with there that AREN'T beating KK and call when he moves in.
It'd be a lot different if I were late in the 750k about to burst the bubble: but early in a 180 man sng where I can just try again if Im wrong: I'd just run it.
No one can fault you for running it, although it can easly be argued that you should fold the hand. I dont really think there's a wrong play here: go with the gut.
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