I'm a 26.5/18 now, which doesn't seem too good compared to the stats of the stronger players I face.

Also, my VP$IP from the sb is 39, which can't be good.

I'm not really sure what good stats are though, any help?

my stats show 6.16BB/100 over 6,200 hands. thought id mention it.

LOL, thanks for the help.

well if it helps my VPIP is 48...now id say thats high.

im happy to compare other stats with you if it helps.

My VP$IP over 4000 hands at 2/4 was consistently around 40-45 I believe, and my PFR was pretty high too. The difference is that those stats were from the FCP 5-max tables, which leads to more aggression in general. I think I was winning 2.5-3BB/100, somewhere in that range.

I can't pull the rest of the stats because my harddrive recently crashed, but I'm going to start playing 2/4 shorthanded on Absolute, which is 6-max, and I'd be interested to see how my stats change.

my stats show 6.16BB/100 over 6,200 hands. thought id mention it.

Sustainable for sure.

good luck.

hehe smash i was waiting for that from you.

Id say i have played maybe another 50,000 hands that i havent logged because i either didnt have PT or was just too lazy to set up Ultimate Buddy. I agree 6.16 isnt sustainable, but i have been winning ridiculously well virtually right the way through. I seriously think i can beat the 1/2 6 max games for 4BB/100... the play is really just that bad.

I dont get why you're telling us this...

There must be some other thread on the forum where a thinly veiled brag post would be less conspicuous.

6 BB per 100 hands is absolutely sustainable. You are looking at a little below 3 BB per hour live. Very possible.

Maybe at .5/1. At any other level, I've never heard of a winrate approaching 6 over a good number (100k +) of hands.

I have to disagree with the statement about 6 BB/hr not being sustainable in 6-max LHE. I've played 7,700 hands with PT and I have a 5.5 BB/hr winrate as well.

Just over half of those hands are playing 1/2, but I've done just as well at the higher levels, as I've logged over 1,200 hands at 3/6 and over 1,200 hands at 10/20 and each of those levels show a 5.5 BB/hr winrate as well. In fact, the 535 hands at 15/30 show a 9.6 BB/hr winrate (although I know that's not sustainable.

If I actually put some effort in to table selection instead of picking the highest avg. pot on Party every time, I have no doubt I could bring my overall winrate up to a full 6 BB/hr.

Since 7k hands is a good sample size. :roll:



But yea I think good sh stats can vary but its best to lag it up. something like 25-30 VPIP and 13-18 pfr seems optimal.

I agree you need to play kinda LAG most of the time, as my VPIP and PFR are even higher than that. I have a VPIP of 39 and a PFR of 21 for 6-max tables, and as I mentioned, it led to a winrate of 5.5 BB/hr.

Maybe the people with lower winrates are missing out on a lot of value by folding too many hands.

And is 7,700 hands really that small of a sample size for LHE? If you were playing NLHE, I could see how a few big hands might swing you, but playing limit, I'd think that 7,700 hands would be enough to get you pretty close to your true winrate, at least within a BB either way.

While 7700 might seem like a lot it really is pretty minimal especially at 6 max as it can be so swingy. I think over that many hands you can figure out just by playing whether or not you'll be able to be a winning player or not, but true winrate just takes longer to come by. I know i've had 5k hand runs where i've been up around 10 bb/100 but at the same time runs where i've been losing at a 1-2 bb/100 pace.

I find that the more experience you get, the less optimistic you get in these winrate projections.


If you have to ask, 5 is definitely not reasonable for you.
1 is probably a more realistic estimate.

Wow, you guys have high VP$IP.

I'm not sure what limits you guys play, but assuming you're playing mostly 5 and 6 handed you should consider tightening up a good bit.

I love love love having players with VP$IP stats in the high 30's and above at my table. I'm not saying that none of them are winners, but I've run across very few of them if any.

FYP.

Why?

Are you looking to increase your VPIP and pfr% or decrease it?

I think your stats are fine. Too bad you couldn't just recieve a winrate based on your stats. :-)

I was concerned that the "gap" between my PFR and VP$IP was too big, I guess not though.

I thought that maybe I was cold-calling too much out of the sb and bb.

I am happy to say that my winrate is looking quite nice right now :-)

If my winrate for 6 max at 10/20 and below drops to 1 BB/hr, I'll send you $1000. I know I'm better than that.