1-2 NL
FTP

My Stack: 78.00$
Villain: 174.00$

9 Handed

My image has been very tight, playing only a few hands every couple rounds.

Villain has been fairly LAG. He liked to play alot of pots , but would back off if raised preflop 80% of the time.

Im BB , Villain is SB.

1 limper folded to Villain , he calls , I have K J , I raise to 6 .

Limper folds , SB calls.

Flop is 3 5 K

SB checks , I bet 6.00$ , he reraises me to 12.00 , I call .

Turn is J , SB checks.

I bet 12.00 , SB reraises all in for 154.00$

I've invested 40% of my chips , 30.00$ with 48 remaining .. 98 bucks in the pot , im gettin 2-1 . I think im pot-commited and I have top two pair .. The only 2 hands I think I can put him on , are Pocket jacks , pocket 3's, or a flush draw, that hit on the turn ..

My read of him up to that point , was LAG and only showed a few hands down , usually with him taking down the pot. I cant put him on aces because he had aces the very previous hand and while its possible, its highly unlikely ..

help ..

Why are you betting 12$ into a 36$ pot with top 2 on a 3 flush board.

Call the all in.

I think we need to bet the flop much stronger. Against a LAG who limped from the SB, we are ahead of most of the hands in his range, with the exception of 3-3, 5-5, which you would need to go by his previous actions to determine if he would raise p/f with these types of hands, etc.

I don't think aces or jacks are a strong possibility, since it most likely would have resulted in a p/f raise.

The min raise of the flop seems weak to me. I would have liked to see what villian does to a larger bet on the flop.

As far as the turn, I agree with the above response that a larger bet is necessary. After that, you would be committed, and forced to call his all-in if he still makes that play.

First things first - why did we raise pre-flop? Did we do it b/c we think we have a strong hand, or did we do it to get the limper out so we've got position on SB (assuming he calls)?

I don't think KJ (even suited) is strong enough to raise w/ out of the blinds, but maybe that's just me...

Onto the flop... We've bet $6 into a $14 pot. I really don't like that amount. As a rule I like my bets to go up as the hand progresses. If I've raised to $6 pre-flop, and there's $14 in the pot I'm likely betting in the range of $9 - $12. Your bet seems weakish to me.

Then we get min. check-raised. I supposed you have to call here, but I would proceed w/ caution. As we all know, min-raising is a donkey's way of expressing extreme strength.

On the turn the draw gets there, but again we elect to make a weak bet into a now large pot, even after villian showed strength by check-raising us on the flop. I HATE this bet. If I'm in this hand I'm totally done once I get raised here.

He may or may not have us beat (I think he has hearts and has us drawing thin) but any way you slice it, he way out-played you in this hand. I don't see how you can call.

I don't raise p/f, I bet more on the flop and I slow down on the turn.

Thank you ben , good solid advice.

This is the kind of hand I hate to raise with in the blinds. The obvious reason being when you miss (and most the time you will), then your forced to lead out.

The above analysis is spot on.

If your image is tight, the LAG knows as much. He is acting very strong, knowing you don't get out of line very often.

Where was the limper? if he was in LP, I don't mind the raise as you will take down the hand preflop, or with a continuation bet on the flop often enough. I think the bet needs to be 8- probably 10.

Bet the flop more. 2/3 pot is good for me. (I think the hand plays differently if you do) By making the pot more expensive, you would be able to better put him on a hand.

Given the min raise and push on the turn, I really think you have to fold here regardless of the price. I mean, he's C/Red us twice. I think maybe you should have checked the turn. You have a lot of showdown equity here, but you really don't want to be playing a big pot here.

hmmmm theres a few spots where you may have played it better in my opinion but I'm going to concentrate on the play from the flop and beyond.

a key piece of information is if this player would check raise a flush draw out of position, if you think that this is a play he is capable of then you should think hard about folding, also on the turn when it is checked to you a larger bet is in order, this will accomplish a few things 1) you will represent strength and let the opposition know that if he wants to come over top he needs to make it pricey, and 2) This makes it very difficult for a player to think a bluff here will work 3) if he does come over the top of you based on your read if you dont' think he would do this with a weaker two pair (probably would call) you can let the pot go.

This player sounds like he likes to take flops and likes to put plays on people, based on this it makes it more likely that he would call your raise out of the blind with a not so strong hand knowing that the pot will be heads up. So when you add all these things together you can make an educated decision whether to fold or call.

You gotta be kidding, right?


-fop

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who aughed at this statement. That's like saying the lottery numbers 5 12 17 22 31 46 won't be drawn this week because they were the winning numbers last week. Don't forget: the cards dealt in two consecutive hands are independent events.

Cheers,

Merby

What I want to know is why does he care if he has Aces. Aces is one of the hands that OP has beat. I'd love it if he had Aces...

A little odd for villain to just push it all in on the turn with a flush. :think:

Villains that check-raise twice make me laugh. When they check-raise three times, that's really the funniest.

I agree with everything besides this. I agree it's a donkey move, but rarely to show extreme strength. I think it most often says "I got a piece of that flop, but if you have a raisable hand and hit, then I am behind. Please re-raise me if you really hit." It can also mean "I have a draw, so when I check the turn, please check behind me so I can see a free card."

I really think we dug our own grave her with our back to back weak bets. We're scared and he knows it.