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jimmybaker04
Seat 5: Button ($431.55 in chips)
Seat 6: Villain ($340.50 in chips)
Seat 7: BB ($185.05 in chips)
Seat 8: UTG ($685.50 in chips)
Seat 9: Hero ($309.50 in chips) Hole cards: (Jd9d)

ANTES/BLINDS
Villain posts blind ($2), BB posts blind ($4).

PRE-FLOP
UTG folds, Hero calls $4, Button folds, Villain calls $2, BB checks.

FLOP [board cards 9H,8H,7C ] pot=$12
Villain checks, BB bets $8, Hero calls $8, Villain raises to $16, BB calls $8, Hero calls $8.

TURN [board cards 9H,8H,7C,KC ]pot=$60
Villain checks, BB checks, Hero bets $32, Villain calls $32, BB folds.

RIVER [board cards 9H,8H,7C,KC,JH ]pot=$124
Villain bets $28.

Call or Fold?

It seems like a total value bet by a hit on the river, but I am getting nearly than 6-1 on my money. Worth a call?

As for my reads of the table, I don't have much, just been sitting here for about 30 hands. Seems as if the table is generally tight/passive with the exception of UTG and Hero who are the only real aggressors pre-flop. I have nothing on the Villain, but with my table image being pretty aggressive plus the fact that I bet the turn makes me think that he is hoping I will take this bet and raise into his big hand.
Jordan
im not sure about the turn bet even by you myself.

he had just c/r a bet, call minimum...on that kinda flop i'd usually check that turn and hope to get a free showdown..unless i have some sort of read to bet taht turn, which you said you didn't.

i think 9T is a hand that may c/r that flop min...i dont know why he would do it min, but def. a possibility..., that's one of the hands we are ahead of on the turn, and if that's what he had, well..meh..

or maybe a trash two pair...bleh

river looks like a total value bet but it's a pain in the ass to fold in these pots getting that price...

I still think I'd check the turn, and that will obviously change a lot of river play. I can't really say what I'd do on the river though. I usually get some sort of read even within 30 hands of play..but since you didn't have any on him...bleh..

it's either a value bet, or a blocker bet of some sort. I think we beat most of his blocker bets with our 2 pair, but obviously if we ran into 9T or another str8...i think this is "alright" to pay off.

if anything else, and some ppl hate saying this, we get more info for later, which may pay off...

- Jordan
jimmybaker04
QUOTE (Jordan)
im not sure about the turn bet even by you myself.

he had just c/r a bet, call minimum...on that kinda flop i'd usually check that turn and hope to get a free showdown..unless i have some sort of read to bet taht turn, which you said you didn't.

i think 9T is a hand that may c/r that flop min...i dont know why he would do it min, but def. a possibility..., that's one of the hands we are ahead of on the turn, and if that's what he had, well..meh..

or maybe a trash two pair...bleh

river looks like a total value bet but it's a pain in the ass to fold in these pots getting that price...

I still think I'd check the turn, and that will obviously change a lot of river play. I can't really say what I'd do on the river though. I usually get some sort of read even within 30 hands of play..but since you didn't have any on him...bleh..

it's either a value bet, or a blocker bet of some sort. I think we beat most of his blocker bets with our 2 pair, but obviously if we ran into 9T or another str8...i think this is "alright" to pay off.

if anything else, and some ppl hate saying this, we get more info for later, which may pay off...

- Jordan


When he check/min raised, and then checked the turn my first thought was draw, probably hearts, but maybe straight, or possibly (but unlikely) double. I bet the turn because I put him on a draw. Just a standard read I make when the board yields draws and then a player check raises(small), and then checks.

I can see how others would check the turn, I don't think either is a bad idea.
DrawingDeadInDM
J9s is kind of a weird limping hand from that position, I'm kinda curious about that. Why'd you limp with it?

Turn, eh. Fine, but I don't mind checking either.

I just call the river. 6-1 is huge.

Don't try and be a hero in spots like this--it's just not worth it. When you raise and he calls with a worse hand or folds, you feel like a genius. When he comes back over the top and you call with the worst hand you feel like an idiot.

The situation I hate the most in NLHE is getting re-raised on the river with a decent but not great hand.

I avoid that by not raising too often without the nuts, or close to.
jimmybaker04
I agree, I would never raise the river with this hand.

I limped from that position with that hand for a few reasons. Mostly because I would try to see as many flops as I could from that position as the blinds were the weakest players at the table IMO. The button was super tight, so I also felt like I had a good shot at inheriting the button and seeing the flop 3 handed. With the button being super tight and the blinds being too passive to raise with anything non-premium, I felt it was a safe place to limp. Agreed? It was only 5 handed.
DrawingDeadInDM
QUOTE (jimmybaker04)
I agree, I would never raise the river with this hand.

I limped from that position with that hand for a few reasons. Mostly because I would try to see as many flops as I could from that position as the blinds were the weakest players at the table IMO. The button was super tight, so I also felt like I had a good shot at inheriting the button and seeing the flop 3 handed. With the button being super tight and the blinds being too passive to raise with anything non-premium, I felt it was a safe place to limp. Agreed? It was only 5 handed.


Sounds about like the perfect reason to limp there. If that were the case I'd be limping/raising with most any suited connectors, suited one gappers, K8s or better, any ''blackjack hands'', QJ, AJ, QTs, 22, 33, 44, 55.
bcook823
I would call the bet on the river, I'd do it thinking I was beat though.
jimmybaker04
Villain shows AcAd and hero took down the pot.

More than anything this hand was memorable to me because of how shocked I was to see those two cards.
Jordan
nh.

what.a.donk.

- Jordan
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