0.50|1.00 No Limit - Cash Game - 5 handed

- button $47.93
- sb $37.96
- bb $79.25
- utg $92.00
- hero $59.11

hero: Q Q

utg folds
hero raised - $3.00
button called - $3.00
sb folded
bb called - $3.00

** Dealing the flop: 6 2 6

bb checked
hero checked
button checked

** Dealing the turn: 4
bb bet - $4.00
hero raised - $12.00
button folded
bb called - $12.00

** Dealing the river: 3

bb bet - $4.00
hero called - $4.00


table image: very laggy since i had a great read on everyone. i'd been raising pf about 50% of the time, and have been mixing it up post-flop (checking/betting/raising based on reads) i was in the mood to gamble and give a few beats. i've show down 4-5 hands... and only 1 was legitimate (ak). however, i'd only lost 1 showdown (flopped two pair v. set which took me from 100->60ish)

my friend who was standing over my shoulder said i made a mistake by checking the flop, but i disagreed. any thoughts? ill give my reasoning later

Sorry, no, I'll disagree. You can't give a free card here. There's just way too many ways to turn ugly (pun intended). Lead out that flop and take it down now.

I also recommend that you bet the flop. Since your reputation is aggressive, people view your bets and raises with some sceptism. That's a benefit here where you have a strong hand. Smaller overpairs or a flush draw can call or raise a flop bet.

Plus you're vulnerable to an ace, king, or spade; so winning the pot there isn't all bad.

i should add that my table was very weak tight as well... if that influences anyone's opinion.

bbl... dinner

It still doesn't change mine. You just can't give a free card away here.

why check the flop? This sounds like a pretty wild game. Any spade, 5, 4, 3, 2, A or K can hurt you.

Checking the flop is kinda bad. Your hand is not invincible.

Bet the flop. You could get decent action from a small overpair that will freeze up when a jack or spade hits the turn.

i was attempting to trap with this hand. the way i saw it, the only hands that are calling me on this flop are mid-pp's, or a flush draw. they people in this hand werent wild enough to call w/ just overcards to a normal flop-sized bet ($6 in this case). i wasn't too worried about the flush draw, bc i had backdoor outs to the 3rd nut flush and against two random hands, there was only a 1 in 5 chance that either was holding spades. also, since the board was now paired, i dont have to worry about runner-runner two pair.

as i said, i had a good read on the table, and if an ace or king had fell on that turn, i could easily get away from my hand. also, if a spade fell and i was reraised (since i planned on betting/raising any non-ace turn card) i could also get away from my hand.

against weak-tight opponents, i felt the best way to get max value was to allow them to hit top pair on the turn (ie 7-j) and have them call down on the turn and river. also, as in this case, i could get the ace of spades to draw w/o odds if another spade hit that turn.

also, by checking the flop, i was giving the green-light to a mid-pp to bet that turn. i could now raise and get him to call since he may be pot committed, which would lead to him calling off a large river bet.

to clarify about my laggy image, i was very lag preflop, but mixed it up a lot post-flop. some of the times i continuation bet big, sometimes i'd check/raise, sometimes i'd check/call, and sometimes i'd just check it if i was on the button. i was playing a very read-based game. i had also folded to a single flop bet after i raised it pf.

i was taking a risk by not betting that flop, but i still feel that it gave me the best oppurtunity to extract maximum value from these type of weak-tight opponents.


this hand reminded me of the hand dn had against chau in the wpt tunica event. dn flopped a pair of jacks (second pair) and was attempting to trap chau and allow chau to hit his pair (which most likely would not have been better than a jack). of course, chau did hit his pair on the river (a king) and dn ended up losing the hand bc he checked the flop and turn. however, the same principals applied to this hand, i was trying to trap my opponent by allowing him to hit his card and think he has the best two pair while in actuality my queens over sixes has him crushed

Meh..

I get what you're going for here, I just think you picked the wrong board to try it.

The only problem with not leading the flop is that we're giving AX a free turn, and then incentive to peel off the river and suck out.

That, and we happen to get re-raised on the turn we have really no idea where we might be in the hand, as someone can be making that play with a hand like AK or a flopped boat.

I'm much more apt to make this play on a board like, J82 than I am on a paired board with two the flush.

I dont' think it's a bad idea. Though, there may be some issue with us looking LAGgy and raising preflop, checking an low, ragged flop.

I'm not convinced that you're more likely to get action on the turn board than the the flop. There are cards that you need to dodge because they might beat you, but you have to dodge cards that discourage your opponents also. Supposing neither of them have an ace, an ace falls on the turn, and then you bet. Surely, they'll figure for the ace and fold their middle pairs. Maybe they have one spade and two overs and the turn bricks. Their 3-flush just evaporated. Maybe they have an overpair to this board but no spades and a spade falls on the turn.