This is the NL strategy forum.



Not the Bad Beat Forum.



We discuss strategy for NL Hold 'Em at all stakes.



We do not give you sympathy, we analyze your play.



For us to analyze the play to the best effect, you need to hide the results because many - in this part of the forum in particular - are going to give you bullshit advice, like folding the nut straight because a heart flush, "is going to hit the river." or some other stupid donkey-voodoo, soothsaying, prophecy ex eventu horse shit.



As I'm looking through the threads, I can count 3 of what I would call bad beat posts on the front page.



Please stop polluting this STRATEGY forum with bad beat donkey garbage.



For those that know what I'm talking about:


In order to discourage this practice, I think we should make our replies very scarce for those that don't know where the Bad Beat Forum is.



Thanks.

and next time on "alphaomega is burning"...

learn how to spell jackasses

Alpha...

1) Way too many carriage returns.
2) The title is awful.

Just a little constructive criticism on formatting.

SOMEONE CRACKED MY ACES! WAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

Fair enough...

I normally consider myself a good speller, but as soon as I submitted I saw the title and I was like, "uh oh."

I thought people would be more interested in the message, because I know I'm not the only one that has a gripe with this stuff.

Just trying to make the NL strategy forum better.


Because it really sucks.


That's all.

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I'm not sure the plural form of jackass has it's place here.

If you are just addressing me, that would be just "jackass"


Way to be hypocritical.

LMAO

Actually alpha, I dont really care for your analysis of hands anyways, and I think the fact that you created this thread to begin with , shows your a very insecure person , wanting to be known as a scary individual on these forums ..

I'd just prefer it if you would relax with the attitude , because every single post you've ever written , you come off as pompus and rude .. Frankly, this section of the forums isnt a spot for that.

So .. knock it off or go to 2+2

It doesn't suck first. It's sparce with activity at times but hopefully that will change. Keep in mind, there can be a fine line between a bad beat and a "what could I have done differently" post. Maybe some of these "bad beat" posts are more a form of the latter. Not everyone is up to speed on correct hand posting format or etiquette. I see your point, but it's coming off rather harsh to a section that's trying to stay positive.

Don't get mad just because I flamed you for and putting your whole roll on the table.

It's about the 3145234623987th time someone on this forum has gone broke doing the exact same thing you did, and I don't want others to repeat your actions.

If you actually listen, you might learn something, because sound bankroll management is one of the most important qualities that a good poker player can have.

Saying that I come off as pompous in all of my posts is a vast overstatement. I could say that in all of your posts, you come off as a complete idiot because you lack bankroll management. I can't really say that though because I don't/won't bother reading all of your posts, so I'll refrain from being an idiot and jumping to conclussions.

I was trying to help you. You may not agree with the means, but my intent was to help you.

Think about it.

Here's the thing 'home slice' ..


I lost my BR , and I was an idiot. But the only person who had to publically point that out , was you. All of the responses I recieved were those who wanted to help and offer words of encouragement , you were the only one to call names and make accusations.

That's fine, Im a pretty patient guy!

I dont care for your tone , or how you 'bash' , 'flame' people , when people are trying to be honest and get a decent answer from someone. This isnt the place for that kind of behavior.

And if anyone would like to disprove me, have a look at this persons posts and threads .. your down-right 'mean' to people.



And the ORIGINAL reason for me making the post, wasnt because I was pissed that you 'flamed me' for 'being an idiot' for losing my bankroll . I flamed you because you created a thread in the strategy section , acting like your a forum mod , with a wicked case of PMS.

Knock it off. There's no reason to NOT be CIVIL here .

I apologize.


I had no idea that you couldn't read.

I think this classification and anal-ization of the forum in general is bs. There are WAY too many categories. Why do people post stuff in "general"? Because it's the top category. There are so many categories that any post logically falls under one of them. Get rid of it and like 5 more of them. Or, you can just say "who cares", and respond if you want, don't if you don't want. Flame when it's deserved but don't talk shyt about classifications of posts in this convoluted forum unless somebody posts a NL Holdem hand in the stud section.

It's funny/sad/annoying all at the same time how some of you honestly lose sleep about what you consider a "misclassification" of a post. Take a Nyquill pill or, even better, take 20 of them.

And, no one should buy Alpha's books or dvd's.

LoL OWNED .

Alpha is -EV.

What's that?


All I can hear is, "I wish I was Alpha and had a bankroll."


While I feel this thread has been highly useful, it's probably time to lock it up.

okay, obviously the intention of this post has been lost and its turned into a flame war, but Alpha does bring up a solid point, and I'd like to add the brag posts that seem to happen in this section to being kinda useless. This sentiment has been said before by other posters, and its something that I have noticed when I go through this section. I'd also like to add that tourny and sng hands should go in the tourny forum.

Instead of thinking about the tone of the OP, think about the meaning of it. When you post a hand, why are you posting it, are you looking for validation or are you asking a question. How marginal or tough is the situation that has come up, and what is your thought process on that particular street

I'm not going to lock this down, yet. But please keep away from the stupid flames, and instead use this post as a means to thinking about the hands that get posted, and how you can make this section a great section

NO OFFENSE, but what the h*ll does this have to do with NL strategy, oh mighty one?

you can cut the sarcasm, for real dude. I'm trying to be constructive and you aren't adding anything by saying this. What does this have to do with strategy, oh I don't know, how about making more worthwhile threads that will get discussion. If you don't see how that has to do with strategy, then I'm not sure you will get most basic comprehension things in life

i'd like to see a seperate brag post forum

Allright, everyone can chill the fuck out. I told AlphaOmega what I thought in the Bad Beat thread the other day, and I know some of you feel the same.

Fact is, though, he's right.

I honestly believe there's no one on this site who cares more about the NLHE Strat section than I do. I do get burnt out on it from time to time, certainly. I can only answer so many questions about how to play AQ in a home game against a maniac.

That being said, I kinda look at myself as the manager of this little slice of the forum. I let people know through PMs that flaming isn't appropriate here. I encourage people who are new to the forum to keep posting hands they have problems with.

I've BEGGED for a brag post forum--or at least for the Bad Beat forum to become the Bad Beats and Brag Posts forum. I try and look out for you guys. I've asked pretty much every respected poster on this forum to come in here and share hands/thoughts/ideas.

But, some of us need to re-evaluate why you come to this forum and why you're posting. If it's to get a pat on the back for a nice play, well, great. Nice play. If it's to talk strategy and theory, well, then let's go.

If you want to bounce an idea off some of us, or post a hand where you tried something new and want to see what we think--awesome. Do it. Let's talk about theory as opposed to an individual hand.

I know we get into the whole, "This is all read dependant and I can't make an honest analysis of it blah blah blah" mode from time to time. But, if you want to be helpful, post what you've done in similar situations and why.

I've posted 'articles' before and there was some decent feedback, but a lot of it was, "I agree," and nothing more.

Those types of posts do nothing for this forum.

I'd rather get 5 solid replies questioning my play and asking why I made a play then have 23 of you tell me that I made the right play. I don't mind posting a check up hand here and there, I do it from time to time.

So, maybe I'll get back to writing those articles, and we'll try this again. I really, really, want to see this place to work--more than you guys know. I think it can be up there as second best on the web(next to 2+2) if we put a little bit of effort into giving thought out responses.

I know that parts of this may seem hypocritical, as my responses sometimes are short, and what not. But, I promise to make a bigger effort if you do.

As for this thread, lay off the guy. He's right.

I stayed out of this but since you brought this up... i thought it was worth mentioning. I see a lot of posts that the first response is that it's read dependent and then as soon as some one gives some what of a read, there's not another post from this original person who asked. You can analyze a hand by saying, against a standard play... (because most plays we discuss here are against standard play) and then qualifying an explanation that your assessment would change if u thought opponent was a super rock, half retarded, etc.

Exactly.

I agree flaming is unneeded and counterproductive, but I want to reiterate my point that at times, what those with more knowledge about the topic consider an easy answer can be an legitimate question from the OP. Someone who lost on a bad beat by getting there whole stack in against a flush draw who it may be easily cast as a bad beat poster, but it's also important, in this forum, to look at the hand and see if they could have done something different. I'd hate to see this section become a bravado fest like General.

DD, KDawg, anyone really, I'd love to see more hands to analyze.
By no means am I a NL expert, but I hope I've had something to offer or at least a different perspective.

I consider this section one of the beaming highlights of this forum on a topic we all share and enjoy. I agree, keep the bad beats or braggart posts out, but if you sincerely think about the hand and question it, then post it.

KDawg, the "oh mighty one," was not meant at you...its unfortunate that my post fell right behind you and i was misunderstood. as far as the "chill out" comment...point taken. that's why i led with "NO OFFENSE." i was really trying to harmlessly point out that this, too, had little to do with any "specific" tactic or hand. and was just pointing to the irony of the situation. had no idea you would react with such a tongue-lashing.

again sorry; i don't think i articulated my point very well at all.

as far as "constructive criticism" is concerned, i agree with OP in that nobody should reply to the posts that don't belong. other than to say which forum would get/give a better response.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...pic.php?t=47666

tear that guy apart...

i'm trying to just post some weird hands i've played and get some feedback...

i dunno...bleh..


and i agree...brag posts and bad beat posts in this forum are stupid and lame. use your blog for that.

- Jordan