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Preflop: Hero is SB with A:club:, 9:diamond:.
1 fold, BB calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (8 SB) J:club:, A:diamond:, 7:heart: (4 players)
Hero bets, Hero calls, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 2:spade: (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, BB folds, MP calls.

River: (11 BB) T:club: (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets, Hero calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 13 BB


Does the extra money from MP make calling down +ev?
If MP folds is it still worth calling down?

I don't like the way you played the hand at all.

I would'nt raise preflop here. On the flop, I would 3 bet the button (outside of A7, your ahead of just about everything he holds).

But, you did'nt 3-bet the flop...so when its checked around to the button on the turn, I'm c/r then and leading any river.

Aim, I honestly think your analysis is way off.

First this is six-max (five handed). I'm pretty sure A9 is a raise when shown absoultely no agression.

Three-beting the flop may tell us where we are, but it also folds A2-A6 and A-8. It does not fold A-7, A-10+. If villian happens to have A2-A6, just calling lets him bet his chips right to us, whereas if we take control of the hand we make worse hands fold.

I also do not want to shut MP2 out of the hand because, although he is a retard, two back to him might make him fold. There is virtually nothing to protect my hand from so MP2 has very little chance of taking this pot down. I want him to overcall. In fact I think his overcalls are what make me callind down profitable.

Anyone agree/disagree?

Ok, well I think raising A9 preflop is wrong in this spot for the following reason (although I could be wrong):

You have 2 people who are definitely going to the flop with you (maybe 3 if the BB calls), and your hand will likely only win if you pair up a A or a 9 in that case.

Now, I see what your trying to do here, but the pot just got big now, and you should try to win it ASAP imo.

I find it somewhat hard to believe villain can be holding A-10+ here, and even if he has a weaker A he's going to call you down at these limits.

In short, with the pot gettting big, I want to take control of the hand and try and win it outright.

pot is getting big.
c/r that flop EDIT: {I meant bet!}
fold gut shots
put pressure on Jx, 7x.

you don't have a strong enough hand to go for overcalls.

don't get the mindset that it's ok to let weaker hands draw cheaply because the overcalls are worth it. By the time the pot gets to SD, it will be big enough, that "helping" them fold correctly on the flop, will be good for you.

hope I make sense

ps. preflop raise is required.

Actuary:
Is this a raise pf?

imo, yes.
I don't have any "cheet sheets"

opponets are showing extreme weakness limping here.,
We have equity edge usually.
6 Max at .5/1 is pretty passive, so it's not necessarily true that were are ahead preflop... yet, unlike a full ring game, we likley are moreso.

What if the flop gets checkred through?
c/r folds some worse A/x on turn.

If this is AJ10 with two diamonds or something, then i agree, c/r. Plus, i really want A6 coming along for the ride.

I TYPOED

I MEAN 3 BET FLOP

I like the flop bet, especially because you raised preflop. On the flop your collecting bets from weaker hands, and then when you 3 bet your effectively shutting them out. I still think if button has A-6, he's going to call you down to the river.

Is the original hand in this thread that much different from the following hand:

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Preflop: Hero is BB with A:spade:, 9:club:.
3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (4.50 SB) A:heart:, Q:club:, 5:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Turn: (5.25 BB) 8:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (7.25 BB) 3:heart: (2 players)
Hero bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB

Screech told me in this hand specifically not to 3-bet the flop cuz i fold KQ but not AJ. I thought similar reasoning cuold be applied to the firsst hand in this thread.

This hand is way different from the first one. In this hand I'd check call all the way and bet the river, because your either WA/WB. In the original hand, your way ahead of most hands and your in a multiway pot, so protecting your hand is more important when the pot gets big. Here, you can apply the thinking you used in your original hand.

Hand 1:

Easy pf raise.

I would have c/r'd the turn and led the river. Folding to a raise at any point. The reason I like the c/r line better than the flop 3-bet is because it gives MP and BB the chance to make an unprofitable call. It also helps define your hand a lot more. For example, if you 3-bet the flop and lead the turn, button may decide to use a free sd raise with a hand like A6.

Hand 2:

Looks like I already gave advice for this hand. The situation is different because it's HU and villian raised pf.

I dont raise preflop. Your equity isnt nearly as good as you think it is. To go with that you're bloating the pot so if the flop comes donw 952 you will be unable to protect your hand and even if you flop an A you give people odds to chase a 2 pair. Playing marginal hands OOP is bloated pots is not fun.

Also I checkraise this turn. I want to charge the bb and mp 2 cold.


The other hand you posted is entirely different for a few reasons. Another player raised preflop and you are in a WA/WB situation. You are either drawing to 3 outs max or have your opponent drawing to 2.

hmm...
damn, posting at work is killing me...

ok..

I'll concede a flop 3-bet usually won't protect yuor hand, as gut shots and 5 outters can call with all the implied odds.

c/r turn protects better.

good idea

Wow, i was thinking of folding the turn here.

I should've mentioned this earlier but does the play change at all if we've seen villain limp pf with AKs exactly once before (but have only observed about 20 hands of his)?

Matters how he played that AKs post flop.

Folding the turn would be pretty bad I think. The pots huge, how can you think you're behind just because you got raise on the flop.

I bet you think AT is an easy raise, right?

I'm raising here to knock out the BB, increase my FE on the flop, and push an equity advantage pf.

Screeech:

you fold to a Button raise getting 15:1 after a river lead?

man, I just can't do that.

if he calls the c/r and we are HU...how bout a c/c ?

Well we all have our cutoff points as far as raising compared to limping.
If you're raising A9 then are you raising A8o A7s A6s...


In general I dont think our equity is all that good. I can be wrong but I think any equity advantage we have is taken away by the bloated pot and having to play the hand OOP.


I guess what gets me overall with this hand is why play it aggressively preflop and raise when if you hit your hand on a seemingly safe board it is just going to get played so passively.

If he is dumb enough to raise the river with a hand we beat after we c/r the turn after he raises the flop, then I guess he's smart enough to beat me.

I don't consider a 7-8sb pot bloated.

And yeah, I realize we all have CO points. The farther down we go, the steeper things get. I think ATo is an easy raise. I think A9o is a raise in most circumstances here. I think A8o is a raise in some circumstances, and A7o is a raise in almost none (though A7s is an easy raise).

The reason our equity is so good is because we will often have the limpers dominated. I would think our pf equity is somewhere between 30-35%. Not that big, but it's not the only reason we raise.

I also raise to increase my fold equity when I miss, and to hopefully drive out BB and collect his dead money.