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Preflop: Hero is Button with [Ah], [4h].
2 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (6.40 SB) [5c], [2d], [6d] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.20 BB) [4s] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero calls.

River: (6.20 BB) [9s] (2 players)
BB bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.20 BB

BB is fairly aggressive preflop, and makes continuation bets, but is generally a calling station postflop.

Standard?

After calling the flop and turn, I'm not sure I like folding the river.

looks like your plan was call turn and fold river UI

in order to do this, you need about 8 outs, which I don't think you have

without discounting, you have 2 outs to trips, 4 outs to a straight, and 3 outs to aces up

when you consider that some of these outs could be tainted, and that you could make two pair or trips and still lose sometimes, i don't think you're getting the odds for your line

so you should probably call down

or, you could raise the turn for a free showdown

i think raising the turn is a good option because the board doesn't likely help the villain and could scare him into slowing down

Raise the flop.

Seriously, if you are super-aggressive in blind battles, the other players will fear you, and then you can get them to fold in this situation. Then, when you have a big hand, play it just as aggressively, and you will get called down.

Really bad river fold getting 7+:1

This is going to be some type of overs betting it all the way more then enough to call the river.

I raise the turn. Its pretty unlikely you get 3-bet by to much and you gain a free showdown UI.

Villain basically has to have either an overpair or possibly overcards. So I'm 99% sure 6 of my outs are good, and about 90% sure about the other 3. So I think I can count on about 8.5 outs here.

Plus I have implied odds on the river if I hit.

So I definitely have enough outs for this line. (Although that doesn't necessarily mean that calling down or raising the turn aren't better.)

raise the turn for a free showdown. That or raise the flop. I don't like that river fold at all, if you are going to fold, at least do it on the flop, but IMO, once you call that turn, you're commited to a showdown

No he doesn't. An aggressive player will resteal here with as little as Kx. A LAG player like me will do this with almost any 2. This doesn't mean he has an overpair. The key to blind battles is to be as aggressive as possible, because your opponent will miss the flop 75% of the time.

I think my original description of villain is misleading. He's aggressive enough to open in late position with hands like QT. But he's not LAG. I think he's almost certain to have AK or a big pair here (maybe AQ, 99, 88 as well).

If he's aggressive enough to raise QT in LP, then he's aggressive enough to 3-bet with AT. The best play to make when defending from the BB is 3-betting. Without position, taking the lead is critical.

i don't think this applies to all players. against a weak postflop player, i frequently call from the big blind, even with decent hands. keeping the pot small increases my fold equity vs. weak players.

but you may be right when you are defending vs. an aggressive player.

MNG,

Before I tell you what I'd do, I will say I don't hate your line. There are certain opponents who will fire the flop and turn with a hand like AK, but then go into c/c mode on the river. One problem I do have with this line here is that it's a blind steal situation, so you may be looking at a last ditch effort by KQ/QJs or somehting like that. If you raised UTG and he 3-bet out of the BB, I would like this line a lot better (though I still don't think it's best). I think this line has it's place though, just not in this situation. There are times when you call a turn bet with a weak made hand because you know your opponent won't fire again unless he has you beat.

Anyway, my normal play is to just go ahead and raise the flop to gauge how my opponent reacts. We may have the best hand since he is aggressive pf, and if not, we have outs. I like to find out early whether or not my opponent has an overpair, and this opponent seems honest enough to let us know.

If I called the flop, I would almost certainly raise the turn. It's too likely you have the best hand, and another Ax will almost always peel. And like you said, this guy isn't firing again with Ax, so we do lose out on some value by not charging him on the turn. Also, you're happy to fold a 6 outter like KJ with your weak ass hand.

How about raise fold either flop or turn?

The key for me is to outflop my opponent. I've really been working on that part of my game, and it's paying off huge.

On another note, that 75% thing doesn't seem right to me. I thought the odds of flopping a pair were closer to 1/3 of the time. Plus all the times you flop a draw of some sort/trips/2 pair or anything else that's worht a peel.

I did this calculation not long ago.... here it is.....

If you have AK, and you miss the flop, and there's no pair on the board, then the odds of a random hand containing a pair (either a pocket pair or at least one board match) are 369/1081, or 34.1% (assuming I counted right).

Ok.

I could have been wrong, but I didn't think this guy was that aggressive of a 3-bettor (he was a fairly aggressive opener) - I should have stated that. I was fairly sure that he had a big pair or AK, or maybe AQ. I knew he wouldn't fold, so I figured I'd just call the flop and fold the turn UI.

I actually raised the turn, took the free showdown, and lost to TT. But I was thinking after the hand that maybe I could have saved a bet by calling the turn and folding the river, since I figured his 3-bet was probably a pair twice as often as it was a big A, and a pair became much more likely after he bet the turn and the river.

But I think it was just results based thinking - raising the turn does seem better.

****in right.

You would have saved me a lot of typing, and you would have got a better answer. The reason raising the turn is better in most situaitons is that you may bet him to fold a KJ type hand, which really shouldn't be folding.

If he has AK/AQ or a big pair, you do better with the call/fold line. That's because AK/AQ will frequently call a river bet since it looks suspicious. You usually make the same from these hands, and you lose less from overpairs.

My bad, screech...

Next time we're at the same table, I'll have to donk off some chips to ya, and you can have a Screech on me to make up for it.

Haven't had Screech before, that's East Coast rum right

Turn's a good spot to raise this as there's a 1 card straight on the board and I don't think the BB is going to war with you without something that beats your pair of 4's.

Raising the turn and getting a free showdown sounds pretty good to me in this spot. An alternative line would be to just call down, but folding is pretty bad here, you should fold the turn if you're not going to call a river bet.

:-)

Then it won't be long until you get those chips back plus more. You sly fox.

Right.