No pt stats up yet, but from what I've seen, the table is looooose.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 7:heart:, 8:heart:.
UTG calls, MP raises, UTG calls.

Flop: (9.40 SB) T:heart:, 2:club:, 9:diamond: (4 players)
UTG checks, MP bets, UTG calls, CO calls.

Turn: (11.20 BB) 9:club: (3 players)
UTG bets, CO calls, Hero calls.

River: (14.20 BB) 6:spade: (3 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls, UTG folds.

Final Pot: 19.20 BB

This seems like a fun one. Looking back at it, there seem to be a few iffy spots, but nothing I don't like. That probably means there's a ton of mistakes.

What are they?

Edit: In looking back at this hand, I see 1 spot I don't like. It was a result of me not paying enough attention during the hand (it has nothing to do with reads).

I don't like

Preflop
The flop
The river

Only good street is the turn IMO.

Don't like calling preflop. Guess I'm just not crazy about suited connectors in limit unless there's at least 3 in before me.

I don't like capping the flop, or even raising the flop as we have 8 outs most likely, and our straight is decently disguised.

I think we're ahead of so much that there is value in raising the river.

Cool. I thought this was an interesting hand. Hopefully there will be lots of debate on it. :-)

I'll post my thoughts later, but for now I disagree with your disagreement.



I count 3...

I think preflop is slightly -EV, but I can't swear to that. I can't imagine it could be real bad.

Flop I think I like the raise since it might get you a free card. I'm not crazy about the cap.

River I like that you went for the overcall. CO showed strength on the flop, and then raised here on a paired board. I think it's fairly likely he's got at least the same straight as you, if not a boat. I think it's a boat too often to risk getting 3-bet. (Also, UTG could have a boat for all we know.)

i count two in front of you. very borderline. i would probably call 89s there and fold 67s. on the button, i guess its fine.

i hate the flop cap. that IMO is a definite spew.
even the flop raise i don't like, but that's probably being results oriented.
turn fine.
river ugly, but cant fold it there.

so basically, i dislike the preflop call. without stats, i probably fold, but with stats, i almost certainly call with nearly any stats. sounds dumb, but the stats will assist my postflop decision-making enough to make the call profitable.
flop cap is a spew. with the bottom end, i dislike the free card play, especially at a loose table. it is an easily missed flop though.

The more I look at this hand the more I like it...

calling preflop: You have 3 ppl in front of you (like UTG is gonna fold for 1 more bet...) and at a loose table where people take their hands too far you can play 78 suited for 2 bets.

On the flop we're ~33% to hit our straight (we also have a back flush draw), so if we can get 3 calls this is clearly for value with 2 calls we break even, add deception and maybe get a free card. Given how loose you say this table is I think raising is a fair play.

After the flop 3-bet, I'm capping. Show that you have no fear. CO has gotta be wondering what is going on, even after him check/3-betting you still cap...? looks like a pretty big hand maybe you'll slow him down on the turn. (plus UTG already called 2 cold, so he's not gonna fold to another 2) Given that UTG will call you can break even on the raise.

UTG waking up on the turn is a little scary but in a big pot keep going even if you think you may be drawing dead...

River is standardly standard

Preflop is fine. Its going to be at least 4 way and the sb or bb will often come along here.

Flop: I just call the 3-bet. Your equity isnt that good considering it is now only 3 way and you'll almost never get a free card. Also folding UTG would suck.

Turn: fine

River: I 3-bet it. CO doesnt have a boat to often.

flop cap, only mistake

Screech can play this preflop, no doubt.
His post flop skills would let him play 56s here.

flop cap is the only mistake i see here. rest is goot.

This is what I was thinking. I see armirillo agrees too.

I'm glad that people aren't ripping me apart pf. With 3 people already commited, overlay from the blinds, and decent realative position, I thought this was a pretty easy call here. If there had been no limper, I think it would be very close.

As for the flop, I think my first raise is a must. I have ~9 outs (straight is discounted a bit becasue a J won't give me the nuts), so with 2 callers, the raise has value. It may also set up a free card, which I'll gladly take.

I think my only mistake was the flop cap, but I don't think it is as big of a mistake as some are making it out to be. It's certainly not a spew. Anyway, I missed the fact that CO called/3-bet during the hand. I thought he was the intial bettor. His call/3-bet usually indicates a very strong hand like 2 pair or a set (though occassionally it will be something like QJs or something weird), so may straight/flush outs have to be discounted due to redraws. Instead of the 9 outs I initially gave myself, I think it's somewhere between 7-7.5 outs after he pulls this play. It also makes it more unlikely that I can get a free card with my cap. Still, while capping may be slightly -EV, it's definetly not a spew simply because I still have around 28% equity in a pot that will likely be 3-way and will occassionally get a free card.

Turn is incredibly standard, and everyone agrees on that.

I really wanted to 3-bet this river, because 3-betting is fun, but I don't see how that can be correct. CO either has a FH, or the same straight as me. Given the action so far, it is very likely he has a FH. I'd rather go for an overcall from sb. Plus, if I call and it goes 3-bet/cap, I will be very happy I saved that extra bet.

I think the 3-bet is mandatory on the river. I think his hand range is too wide to put him on a full house or a straight. There is enough we are beating to get extra bets in on this river.

Just curious,

what range do you put him on that call/3-bets the flop, then calls the turn, then raises the river?

Really, I have no clue. But I think there's enough chance that he's playing strangely KK-JJ, or some other hand, than that he has a set on the flop. I don't know what he has, but I think against this player 3-betting the river is the right play.

He's unknown.

Not too many players are raising the river on a paired board after show much strength has been shown on the flop. Yes, he may be getting out of line with an overpair. It happens sometimes. But that doesn't mean it happens often enough to warrant a raise in this situation.

Oh well. I guess we're never going to agree on that,

PF is probably debatable, but it's not so bad with position. It's just a matter of preference really. Flop, I'd just call the 3-bet, I'd be more inclined to cap it if I had QJ, but even still I'd probably just call the 3-bet.

Turn's fine of course and I like the river cold call as well. This is almost always a full house from the CO, but calling is still correct in this situation as you really never know, but I'd expect that your opponent turned over a boat.

Just curious, not that they matter, but results?

CO had TT.

He played pf and turn horribly.

The more I think about it, the more I like the preflop call. At first I was thinking it was probably about EV-neutral, but now I really think it's probably +EV.

Between good draws, gutshot draws, top pair, two pair, trips, full house, top pair, and flopped straights and flushes, you're probably going to get a flop you can work with at least 40% of a time. Then it's just a matter of playing it well enough to make enough money to recoup the 1BB lost the other 60% of the time when you have to fold the flop.

Meh my thinking was no way he would just call the turn with a boat since you just capped the flop and UTG bet out.

But guess some people dont like $.

Yeah. He should have known I was calling a raise, and that sb would give action too. Some people get too sneaky with big hands.

Zimmer

what is your AF?

thanks!

the river cold call is perfect.

i don't understand why anyone would want to 3-bet it?