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Preflop: econ_tim is BB with A:club:, K:spade:.
1 fold, SB calls, econ_tim calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12 SB) A:spade:, 8:spade:, 4:heart: (4 players)
SB checks, econ_tim checks, MP checks, CO bets, MP folds, CO calls, SB calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 5:heart: (3 players)
SB bets, econ_tim calls, CO folds.

River: (11 BB) 9:diamond: (2 players)
SB bets, econ_tim calls.

Final Pot: 13 BB

every street could be played differently, i think.

did i do it right?

don't know much about SB, but when he calls 3 cold preflop i begin to think he's not that good.

SB's play is terrible.

I don't know what to make of it.

He calls 3-cold preflop with what that beats you? A8, A4, 88, 44?

His flop play would have been a lot different I think with any of those hands.

What about A5? He called twice on the flop, he must have caught some of it.

His donk bet on the turn makes no sense. I just don't get it. I hate donk bets. I think with any real strength, ie set, he would check-raise.

So in other words. I don't know what the hell he is thinking.

As for your play:

Any consideration into capping preflop? Raising the turn?

Zach

i've given some more thought to this hand and i think i'm likely way ahead both players on the turn calling might be more profitable than raising

put CO on a reasonble preflop 3-betting range and he's drawing to 2 or 3 outs at max

SB has 67 doesn't he? That is the kind of crap I've been running into.... at 5-10.

I can't see any other way to play it. Depending on reads, I may cap preflop.

can we raise river against a predicatble player, and thus fold to a 3-bet?

I don't see a reason to raise turn, as I agree we aren't in need of facing CO with 2, and SB has use drawing to <=5 outs, or he is drawing to <=5 outs

I like he flop cold call

Only big thing I do differently is I lead the flop. I'd rather trap mp1 for a bet while charging the sb 2 cold if the Co raises.

I think you're missing a lot of value by not capping pf.

Flop is good. I go for a c/r too. It also gives you a better idea of where you stand with CO.

Turn I like. CO likely has 2 outs against you. Try to get him to stay for the ride.

I would raise the river.

Cap preflop/lead flop

I'm raising the turn, want to make CO pay if he has a draw. Call down if 3-bet on the turn.

In this case, raise/call river.

What draw could he have? He cant have a flush draw because we have the Ks and the As is out.

He has KK-99.

Raising the turn does the opposite. It allows him to fold correctly. If we call, we may induce him to pay for his 2 out draw.

Yeah, I misread the hand. Call on the turn is fine as long as you plan to raise the river for value.

word.

close...darn...I had us folding to a 3-bet.

Zimmer...you know I hate folding big pots, so I'm easily convinced that Raise-Call is better, but figured if we are 3-bet we're not good on this river. Again, in real life I can't fold.

Against a predictable player, I fold to a 3-bet in a heartbeat.

Against all non-maniacs, this is a raise/fold situation. Depending on how bad I'm running, I will usually call a 3-bet.

this is normally a preflop cap for me in six max. i was playing without my "cheat sheet" and i must have reverted to my full-ring standards for this hand.

now, a question: if i cap preflop, i have poor absolute and relative position for the flop. if i cold call preflop, i still have poor abosulte position, but my relative position becomes a lot better. also, i give MP the chance to cap, which could help me narrow down his holdings.

and remember, me raising increases others' contributions to the pot by 4SB, but it only earns me 4SB multiplied by my equity edge. Is this better than improving my position on subsequent rounds?

Tim,

I think your position sucks no matter what you do pf. And while finding out if someone else caps is a nice benefit, it's not nearly as nice as capitalizing on your immediate equity edge. With 3 opponents in the pot, this is an easy cap even in full ring games.

Also, you get almost the same added info when you cap as when you let someone else cap for you. It's just that you get this information one round later.

4 way capping with AK off is a no brainer in full?

I haven't read that page yet.

Are we doing that from any pos ?

I am capping with AKo all day everyday from any position.

Is that wrong?

not according to Screech.
I'm not at that point yet, still relying on SSHE for that decision. (I have broken from SSHE on other plays, however)

I don't have an argument against it.

Actuary,

You don't think AK wins more than its fair share in a 4 way pot? It's only in trouble against AA/KK. It is very likely we have at least 1 of our opponents dominated. 4 way is too much equity to pass up even in full games. I would usually cap in a 3-handed pot as long as the 3-bettor wasn't too tight.

Edit: There's also another very important reason to cap in favorable circumstances with AK (and other, more neutral hands like AQs and JJ). It helps disguise AA.

**** off.

BTW, I'm not capping AK all day against any opponent in any situation in full ring or six max (I do it a lot more in 6-max games). A lot depends on the raisers and relative position.

Now argue!

I have no ammunition.

maybe I'll start doing it

I think you need to raise his bet on the turn, and call down if raised.

why raise turn?

i raise the turn b/c it wasn't a scare card. if you think you had the best hand on the flop what changes your mind on the turn. Get in there for a raise. If he 3bets call down. I see you ahaead in a lot of pots here.

me too. (I think we are ahead a ton here)
I want overcalls from someone with 3 outs likely.

Then I'll value-raise the river.

Being ahead isn't the primary concern in this situation. Keeping CO in when he's drawing slim is.