CO is 63/12.5/1.1
MP3 is 44/0/0.74
BB is 23/7.0/1.50

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Preflop: Hero is Button with A:diamond:, Q:club:.
4 folds, BB calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) K:club:, 7:spade:, 3:diamond: (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

I autobet too many times if I'm checked to. I don't have any swell draws... but the board is uncoordinated and I might have the best hand.

Turn: (4.25 BB) 5:heart: (4 players)
BB checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB folds, MP3 folds, CO calls.

I am incapable of checking twice.

River: (6.25 BB) 8:club: (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.25 BB

Hands like these irritate the hell out of me.

Comments on any street appreciated.

I'm betting the flop to weed out some hands, and folding to a raise. Since you are on the button I think betting here is better than checking.

IF you do have the best hand, you want to protect it, because it's a very vulnerable best hand.

Is it okay to bet/fold the flop? I don't really think so... I'll be getting at least double digits to 1.

I don't think so either. We might have queen outs plus backdoor outs for a straight, along with the ace outs of course.

Also not good for our image if all villains have to do is c/r us on the flop to get us off a hand.

Bet the flop. If no one has a K you'll take it down here a ton of the time.

I'd say like 25% of the time tops.

But if you do bet the flop, you'll take it down on the turn 75% of the time UI.

As you know, in most situations, the continuation bet here is standard and probably correct.

But if you have been autobetting these flops constantly, then I think an occasional check in situations like this is a fabulous idea.

-> You have 3 opponents, so it is very unlikely that all 3 will fold to 1 small bet.

-> Since someone probably caught at least a small piece and is probably loose enough to call you down (especially given the table image you suggest you have), then taking a free card on occasion is a good thing.

--> This change of pace adds weight to your continuation bets in the future.
When astute players (and yes there are 1 or 2 of them out there even at this level) notice you betting these flops 100% of the time, your continuation bets lose all value.
Throwing in the occasional check remedies this.


Yes, if you lost this hand because CO caught a 5 on the turn, it would suck.
But spewing off bets on every street with Ace High every time seems like an ineffective idea as well.

--cm

This is why you bet.

I don't care if you've been autobetting a lot lately. This is the perfect flop for you to autobet. It's part of a good, balanced strategy.

on these uncoordinated boards, we can shut down our continuation betting on the turn, if we get called in 2+ places right?

Guess my use of the word ton was bad.

But either way you'll take it down way more then the 12% of the time needed to show a profit.

Yep.

[quote="CoranMoran"]As you know, in most situations, the continuation bet here is standard and probably correct.

But if you have been autobetting these flops constantly, then I think an occasional check in situations like this is a fabulous idea.

-> You have 3 opponents, so it is very unlikely that all 3 will fold to 1 small bet.

-> Since someone probably caught at least a small piece and is probably loose enough to call you down (especially given the table image you suggest you have), then taking a free card on occasion is a good thing.

--> This change of pace adds weight to your continuation bets in the future.
When astute players (and yes there are 1 or 2 of them out there even at this level) notice you betting these flops 100% of the time, your continuation bets lose all value.
Throwing in the occasional check remedies this.
/quote]

This was exactly my thinking too.

[quote]Quote:
I autobet too many times if I'm checked to. I don't have any swell draws... but the board is uncoordinated and I might have the best hand.


This is why you bet.

I don't care if you've been autobetting a lot lately. This is the perfect flop for you to autobet. It's part of a good, balanced strategy.[/quote]

...But... this is what ended up happening. I checked through and MHIG vs. A-nothing.

It just irritates the hell out of me to bet, get called by 2nd or 3rd pair... and checked to on the bricked turn and decide if I should fire again or not.

So some questions.

Say I bet the flop and get 1 call. Should I bet the turn again? Obviously somewhat read dependent, but should my turn bet % here increase or decrease with the post-flop passiveness of the opponent?

Should I be more likely to take a free card on a checked turn with 2 opponents? Therefore should I be more likely to check for a free card or fold as the pot is more multiway on the turn?

This was exactly my thinking too.



...But... this is what ended up happening. I checked through and MHIG vs. A-nothing.

It just irritates the hell out of me to bet, get called by 2nd or 3rd pair... and checked to on the bricked turn and decide if I should fire again or not.

So some questions.

Say I bet the flop and get 1 call. Should I bet the turn again? Obviously somewhat read dependent, but should my turn bet % here increase or decrease with the post-flop passiveness of the opponent?

Should I be more likely to take a free card on a checked turn with 2 opponents? Therefore should I be more likely to check for a free card or fold as the pot is more multiway on the turn?

You missed out on some value.



Yeah, it's frustrating. But it's not really a bad thing. If they routinely call you with 2nd or 3rd pair on the flop in these situations, they'll also do it when you have a king. Also, you usually have about 4.5 outs on average against these hands. Betting this flop in position may set up a free card on the turn if you want one. It also gets a bit more value from weak hands that peel the flop with anything when you are ahead. And it keeps them calling down weak hands whcih is what you want to encourage.



Depends on your opponent, sure. I usually throw in another bet and take a free sd unless I have good reason to believe my opponent paired the flop. It's a tricky situaton, and takes some getting used too. But betting here when you can easily fold to a raise is never really that bad.



Yeah. If I get called by 2 opponents in this spot, I usually take the free card. Against good playres, it's unlikely that they're peeling with trash on a K high flop. Against passive players, it's unlikely that my semi-bluff will work. Take teh free card and fold teh rive UI.