Game : NLh 1/2 (homegame) cash 100$ min buyin

6 players

Me : SB , 150.00$ (tight aggressive , i have fun with the occasional bluffs, but i make sure I pick my spot to do it at)

Dan: BB , 145.00$ (Tight , weak , calling station , afraid to bluff .. usually shows the goods on showdown)

Action folded around back to me .

I have 2 3 , I raise it to 10 , trying to steal.

BB: Calls .

Flop comes down 5 5 6

I lead out for 10.00$
BB just calls immediatly.

Turn : 6

I check.
BB bets 10.00
I re-raise to 30.00$

BB takes a little time over his cards and you can tell his frustration with the flop. He eventually makes the call.

River : k

I bet 40.00$ and say "well if you got a 6 , you got me"



Ok , how do you think I handled this? I figured it was the perfect oppurtunity and flop , to make a bluff and a play at this player . Were my bets ok ? Would you have even done this ?

The player (Dan) , usually makes it deep into our little side tournaments , hes solid , but tends to give people more credit then he actually should ..

I like the play up till the river. I personally would have lost the balls to make one last stab with the King out.


I think visable frustration calls usually mean a "less skilled" player, aka donkey, is calling with overs and is desperate to hit one...


I would have been alot more cautious with the King out...


Im not a great cash player though, and i like the fact that you at least put yourself in a position by giving it one last shot to scoop the pot.


I do the same thing every once and a while, i don't think its profitable to do it too often, personally, cause often times than not, people aren't skilled enough to make the laydown, and you are just betting into a calling station.

except for your pre-flop bet, you both played really weak. you might've picked the right guy to bluff in this spot, but I think you executed it poorly.

How would you have done it differently?

I often wonder about the value of stealing in cash games...

I am not saying I dont do it, and Im not saying I wouldnt do it in that exact spot but things can get unnecessarily messy, particularly against a calling station type player.

Heres what Actually transpired :


I made the bet , told him if he had a 6 he beat me .

He folded , throwing his cards face up in the muck showing a A 5 off.

He had the boat , but laid it down.

And I went on to take the pot.

I showed the 2 3 and it tilted him pretty hard , and I ended up taking alot of money off of him for the remainder of the evening.

Lol..he folded 555A?

That is extremely tight/weak i think...


In that case id definately have been comfortable making the play you did. Showing the bluff in a friendly home game is a dick move though imo...

Why would you ever be worried about the king here??? If you think this guy isplaying this pot looking for a K i dont know what you are thinking about. The K is irellevant unless someone has KK.

Who said it was 'friendly' ? :twisted:

I never claimed to like the guy, in fact , I couldnt stand him.

And after he saw it and went nuts , he played me every hand like he had Aces , and lost every pot to my legitimate hands .. I wouldnt say that 'showing a bluff' is a dick move , regardless of where your playing .

Well because ive seen a million times over, internet low limit players making weak calls with AK till the river hoping to hit a TPTK.


It's probably a stupid idea, but i cant call how many times ive seen that happen. Take in to consideration i have never played NL live...just online. And im pretty fishy at online nl cash games still myself...

My live play is tournament and limit. which i think i do OK at.

Id probably do it at a casino or online any day...but in a home game, i play with guys ive known forever..and im always (well not always, but most of the time) more gentle when my bluffs work.

This does happen a lot but not with a board like this and if they are and you dont get their money you have some work to do. Not being a di ck just didnt see why the K would be a scary card

Well like I said, you probably picked the right guy to do this to - he sucks.

Against a competent player, you'd need to put in a healthier raise on the turn to get him off his hand, and I doubt anyone would be folding.

You raised to $10 preflop. So what is he afraid of? I'll pay off KK if he hits a two outer on the river against me.

Based on your read of your opponent, I have to say that you could not have played the hand worse. The pre-flop steal attempt is ok, and the flop bet is marginal, but still ok (you have a gutshot straight draw). After that you should have been done with the hand

Another read: he is a weak player but called your flop bet immediatly -- weak players often need to take a moment to look over the flop to see how well it fis with their cards. For him to call so quickly usually means there was no time needed to ponder -- he immediatly decided to stay with the hand. My read: he has a pair or maybe a straight draw (maybe even a gutshot straight draw...) I'm guessing he has something like 68 , 44 , or 79.

If you managed to take down the pot, be happy, you just "dodged a bullet". In the long run, however, against this opponent, this play is -EV.


Oh and one more thing:
[b][i]Never bluff calling stations

Never bluff calling stations

Never bluff calling stations


Cheers,

Merby

Your bet on the flop seemed light to me. What is your normal flop bet? I generally bet the pot, or near the pot, but I don't really like the idea of betting half the pot. Seems like a weak steal attempt at that point.

LOL wow is he horrible.

By you saying "well if you hve the 6..." that is saying YOU have the 5.

So if YOU have the 5 then HE has the best hand (unless you have 5K)

he's gotta call there, keep inviting him to the games!


Funny thing is I'm pretty sure you were putting him on AA/QQ or something like that and you wanted him to think you had 555.

Your talking IN THIS CASE, was actually INCORRECT because any player in their right mind would call in a millisecond.

Man he's bad... can you give him my address?