Eh, shredding doesn't really do much for me.

Gift of Gab is climbing my list of top MCs pretty fast. As stunning as his lyrics are, I think it's more his cadence and tone, really. I'm really digging his solo record.

Sooner or later we're just going to have to get over our restrictive sexuality labels, and just makeout a little.

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/reco...es-closer-still

I swear, I'm yet to even hear a Joy Division song, to my knowledge. I'm downloading those albums now; any starting suggestions, opinions or anecdotes?

The Cookie Party theme song.
Any 70's cop show theme song.

Oh, I love me some Joy Division, some of my favorite stuff from the 70's and 80's.

i played guitar hero 3 for like 10 hours yesterday. when you beat the game, you get to play this song.

it's...not easy.

I actually listened to Joy Division on Saturday/Sunday, and then listened to a lot of the Pixies/Cure/etc. the rest of the day Sunday. I had an 80s weekend (inspired by the sudden interest everyone has in Joy Division), and now it will be an 80s week because I enjoyed it so much.

I like Unknown Pleasures more than Closer, but I think I'm in the minority. As far as songs go, my personal favorite has always been "Insight" (from Unknown Pleasures). "Heart and Soul" is a great track, too. Either way, both albums are incredible, and -- though I hate abusing cliche -- they sound WAY ahead of their time. I always forget those albums were made in the late 70s and early 80s respectively.

You should really listen to Surfer Rosa by the Pixies, too. Great guitar-rock album that is remarkable because so much of the music I listen to nowadays sounds EXACTLY like this record made in like 1987.


Speaking of which, would somebody (I'm looking at IVPro) mind making a two-disc "ESSENTIAL 80s FOR THE HIPSTER" mix? I think that'd be awesome. Somebody hop on this, please?

Wang

I think if I were making a mix entitled "ESSENTIAL 80s ROCK FOR HIPSTER FAGGOTS (THIS MEANS YOU!)," the opener would be "Where is My Mind?" by The Pixies. I've used that song on so many mixes that every girl I've ever dated has every lyric to the song memorized.

Also, every time I listen to the Pixies I think of a new band that has so obviously lifted their style. God, it feels like half of Built to Spill's catalogue can be traced back to "Where is My Mind?"


Wang

Yeah, this would be great. Maybe we can all take our own stabs at it. I have a few ideas in mind.





Now that I think about it, this is very true.

Off the top of my head
Galaxie 500-Tugboat
Pavement- something off of slanted and enchanted
Replacements-Left of the Dial
and I don't know something by My Bloody Valentine, even though Loveless came out in the 90's

So did Slanted and Enchanted.

My 80's mix would probably consist of things from the Smiths, Sonic Youth, Jesus and the Mary Chain, Dinosaur Jr., Talking Heads, R.E.M., Pixies (Where is my mind?, obv), Violent Femmes, Tom Waits, and other obvious ones I'm forgetting. Could also throw in some Cocteau Twins, New Order, and The Replacements. Probably forgetting a ton, but that's where I would start.

Oh, working at a college radio station with a bunch of indie hipster doofuses will make all that stuff blend together.

Is Gift of Gab the dude from Blackalicious? If he is, yea he is awesome. All I have to listen to in Nia though, I need to get some more current stuff... if we are talking about the same guy.

Contest. Everyone go. I have 3 or 4 good ideas a year, and I think this is one of them. Fire it up, bitches. My knowledge of music pre-1994, post-1969 is pretty crappy, so I could totally benefit from this




Don't talk about it, man. Just do it. The little Galaxie 500 I've listened to, I've liked. They've always been one of those bands I randomly think, "Hey, I should download some of that" once a month, but never do.

And don't worry about being off by a year either way. All of Joy Division's music -- even the stuff recorded in 1979 -- should count for 80s music. Same with MBV. Loveless has always felt like a late-eighties record to me, even though it came out in the 90s. It's the spirit that counts. No rules, per se.

If I did have to suggest a rule, however, it would be that "Where is My Mind?" appears on every mix.




Then get after it son. Sounds good to me so far. Take an hour, put together 20ish songs, think about it for 24 hours, then make a final 2-disc list.


I think this idea has legs. I'm just excited to hear what IVPro has to say. Anyone wanna lay odds that his mix will just be "The Queen is Dead" on one disc and "Strangeways, Here We Come" on the other?

You are. I got really REALLY high once in Evanston, IL when I was partying at Northwestern for Dillo Day. I had no idea what was going on -- I was CRIPPLED stoned -- and when we wandered to the park at night to see the show, it was Blackalicious on stage. Seeing "Alphabet Aerobics" performed live whilst so high you spend at least 3 minutes trying to remember "which one is right and which one is left?" is an experience. A very, very cool experience.

One more rule, the first song has to be Teenage Riot.

I just got a boner because someone was looking at me. for the record, though, it's a L, not an I. Easy mistake, happens all the time.

I like that Bear signs his posts Wang.

I'll have to start working on something like this. The ideas are churning. Mixtape making is my favorite hobby. I think I like to court new women just to make them mixtapes.

I didn't know my Smiths fandom was that see-through. I'm wondering if you're thinking of that dude Iveyfan, who had a Smiths avatar for the longest time, though I am also a big Smiths fan, and a fan of the 80s in general.

I'm gonna have to put some thought into this one. I have a weird variety of stuff running through my head, like how to fit Black Flag, Devo, and Boogie Down Productions onto this mix. I think I can make it work.

Some facts:

The Pixies are ****in' awesome.

Joy Division is ****in' awesome.

The Knife (yeah, I'm just getting 'round to this one) is ****in' awesome.

And, most of all, relistening to Kid A, it's pretty clearly the best album ever made. Seriously, all other music is sad and stagnant, and most of it should be burned.

Dutch recommends that you: try Ecstasy while listening to music.

ELO - SHowdown http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_WAsY9CFg

"white collar tweakers will be the death of this town."

http://www.tinymixtapes.com/Universal-Risk...sing-84-Million

Ya'know, there's one very utilitarian reason that I, and especially you, (non racist) White people, should hope this album's name gets changed: if it's not, we won't be able to tell people what record we have on. What if this thing is the hottest thing since Illmatic, or hotter?

"What's your favorite rap record this year?"

"Nig...ah...the N-Word?"

Yeah, this sounds convenient. Fu(k Nas, just for making my life as a nonBlack kid in a mostly Black neighborhood that much harder (yeah, I rep. the struggle of fighting my White [yellow?] guilt. Maybe I should make a hip-hop record about trying not to be perceivably racist, to show the world the plight of hip rich kids who move to the city). At least if this were a Toby Keith album I could sit back and laugh my ass off.

You are all playing for second.


Clearly.

You are all playing for second.


Clearly.

Unlike my rule, your rule actually should be a rule. My rule is stupid, whereas yours is based on how awesome the song "Teenage Riot" is.



This entire "everyone make mix tapes" thing was designed chiefly to get you to make and share mixtapes that I will enjoy. It appears I've lit a fire under your heretofore dispassionate ass.




Jesus, I already agreed with you. What do you want from me? Do you want me to start referring to you as The Larry Bird of Mixtapes? Fine. You're The Larry Bird of Mixtapes.

Happy? Sheesh.

im gonna make a movie someday and its gonna open with teenage riot. this will by default make it the best movie ever.

I think it's hilarious he has pissed off Sharpton with this.

The first song of Disc 2 must be "Waiting Room" by Fugazi.


lol

<3

MK, I recall you're some type of digital musician. I'm going stir-crazy, lately, with nothing to do, and decided to misdirect my talents and energy into poorly constructed, home PC-made, sample-based hip-hop beats, instead of working or stimulation any kind of interhuman relationships.

Any good books, forums, articles or programs you recommend? How important is it that I buy any sort of additional, external equipment, to start?

I stole/installed Fruity Loops (7.0), but I have no idea how to use anything, and don't want to put in the time if it's not a good program to use.

Edit: I direct this at MK, because he's better than us, but if anyone else knows anything about this, I'm all ears.

Fugazi might be the most underappreciated band. Even among hipsters. I had a friend in college who made me listen to Fugazi.

In short: I concur.

Fugazi album recommendation?

ahhhhh HELL NO!!!!

13 Songs.

BTW, while speaking on Fugazi... anybody ever listen to Ian MacKaye's most recent project, The Evens? I saw them live a couple of years back... good stuff.

Oh, and I'm listening to This Year's Model. <3 Elvis Costello.

Miyagi Fujiya Miyagi Fujiya Miyagi Fujiya Miyagi Fujiya Miyagi Fujiya Miyagi Fujiya...

Hahahahaha

Sonic Youth - New Hampshire

You can do a lot with a little these days. FL is totally, totally fine. A lot of snobby music people would rip on you for using it, but F them. It does exactly what you want sequencing software to do and more, so I never got the 'FL is gay' thing. It's quick and easy to use.

Other stuff you'd probably be interested in ganking: Ableton Live, which is a really great program to use for beat making if you're going to be using a lot of samples. And then you'll want to get a good wav editor like Sound Forge so you can manipulate samples quickly.

I don't have a great place to point you in terms of learning how to use this type of software, but I'm sure with a little noodling around you'll start to get the hang of it. The only audio forum I spend time reading is gearslutz (http://www.gearslutz.com/board/). Like any forum, you get a lot of noise, but there are a some big boys who post there as well (ppl like Bruce Swedien, who engineered for the Basie band, Quincy Jones' productions, including MJ's stuff; Rob Schnapf, who's produced Beck and Elliott Smith among others; Kevin Killen, who engineered the good Elvis Costello and U2 records; world class mastering engineers like Bob Katz and Chris Athens; the list goes on and on). There are also a lot of good articles to read at the Sound on Sound website (http://www.soundonsound.com/). It all used to be free, but now you have to pay for a lot of it. That magazine is always worth checking out; it can be found in any major bookstore.

As for additional equipment, you'll want to get a decent sound card that has 24-bit capability. After that, it just depends on what you want to be able to do. If you want to be able to record audio into your pc, you'll need a decent mic pre and mic. I remember that you play piano, so you'll probably want to be able to record direct. You might want to buy a midi controller (if you don't already have a sufficient electronic piano/keyboard) so you can record midi data. This way you can actually play basslines and what not instead of just programming them.

Ahhh there's too much to try to explain. Once you start trying things, I'll be happy to answer any questions that come up.

Awesome; that pretty much all I was looking for.

I'll probably ask about samplers, later, but that's good for now. I'm off to the FL forums to ask about books (I'm a huge nerd).

(Also, I'm not sure how I'm just getting 'round to the idea of digital recording; I've played guitar and bass since I was 10, am competent at both, and I've played piano since I was 6, at which I'm really pretty good. And I'm on a computer all the time...yet now that I'm into hip-hop -- a genre of which I have no technical knowledge -- is when I decide to start spend time and money. I'm truly a jackass.)

yea FL is fine. it can do just about anything you could want, ive used it for a lot of stuff.

Radiohead: http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/46...ealed-delivered

song you need on Halloween

Go Your own Way - Fleetwood Mac

I was on the verge of RAGE over some work shit, but Kweli brought me down.

Sigur Ros, yessssss

Fugees - The Score.

Excellent album.

Anyone check out that new Saul Williams internet release?

Yeah, there's just a really cool vibe to the whole record.

For some reason i'm listening to third eye blind, no idea why.