NYC
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 8:27 AM
This hand took place at a home game:
Blinds: 150/75
Me (10 10) - 3000 - Tight
P1 - 3500 - Solid
P2 - 7000 - Donkey
P3 - 6500 - Very aggressive
I raised 4xBB under the gun, big blind (P3) calls and there is 1275 in the pot.
The flop comes A K K rainbow. P3 bets half the pot and I hesitate, but decide to call. On the turn comes a Q. He bets half the pot again and I think for about a minute, but decide to fold. He shows me a 10 7 off suit :shock: ... How did I play this one? Should I have folded when he betted out on the flop, or should I have reraised him? It wouldn’t have been a tough lay down, on the flop or the turn, against a solid player, but this guy has played really aggressive and showed off a couple of bluffs earlier in the game.
Sorry for my bad English!
Scott3705
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 8:31 AM
QUOTE (NYC)
This hand took place at a home game:
Blinds: 150/75
Me (10 10) - 3000 - Tight
P1 - 3500 - Solid
P2 - 7000 - Donkey
P3 - 6500 - Very aggressive
I raised 4xBB under the gun, big blind (P3) calls and there is 1275 in the pot.
The flop comes A K K rainbow. P3 bets half the pot and I hesitate, but decide to call. On the turn comes a Q. He bets half the pot again and I think for about a minute, but decide to fold. He shows me a 10 7 off suit :shock: ... How did I play this one? Should I have folded when he betted out on the flop, or should I have reraised him? It wouldn’t have been a tough lay down, on the flop or the turn, against a solid player, but this guy has played really aggressive and showed off a couple of bluffs earlier in the game.
Sorry for my bad English!
What did you have?
NYC
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 8:33 AM
QUOTE (Scott3705)
QUOTE (NYC)
This hand took place at a home game:
Blinds: 150/75
Me (10 10) - 3000 - Tight
P1 - 3500 - Solid
P2 - 7000 - Donkey
P3 - 6500 - Very aggressive
I raised 4xBB under the gun, big blind (P3) calls and there is 1275 in the pot.
The flop comes A K K rainbow. P3 bets half the pot and I hesitate, but decide to call. On the turn comes a Q. He bets half the pot again and I think for about a minute, but decide to fold. He shows me a 10 7 off suit :shock: ... How did I play this one? Should I have folded when he betted out on the flop, or should I have reraised him? It wouldn’t have been a tough lay down, on the flop or the turn, against a solid player, but this guy has played really aggressive and showed off a couple of bluffs earlier in the game.
Sorry for my bad English!
What did you have?
10-10
tobytobey
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 8:34 AM
Given that he is a very aggressive player, I think that after he bets the flop it is a raise or fold situation. Raising here provides you with more information, and may win the pot outright. Folding here is not a bad play either as the flop is scary for your hand.
I think calling is the last thing you want to do, especially against an aggressive player. I think it just shows to much weakness, that or your holding a monster which you could indicate by raising the turn, especially with your tight image.
Scott3705
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 8:39 AM
Fold the flop.
good for him bluffing. But he can't keep guessin that you didn't raise with AK preflop forever.
AceyDeucy
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 11:09 AM
I tend to to think I would call for one round, and if that didn't slow him down, I would assume he had a K and release the hand. My logic would be, "I would slowplay anything that hit this board, so the best way to represent a hand is to let him keep swinging," of course, a lot of that hinges on my LAGy style.
Of course, in final analysis, I would have played the hand pretty weakly because I fell in the love with my starting hand, so I think that my line there is actually pretty lousy. I think a fold would be right here, espeically given how agressive this guy is. You can't call for all your chips, and if you fire back, I think he is pretty likely to a John Murphy-esque all-in. His agression has really pinned you down here, especially if, God forbid, he actually did hit the flop, in which case you are rewarding his style. (which is why i like to play that way)
Scott3705
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 11:20 AM
This is one observation I've made for players in NL holdem which i mentioned in another thread.
I think most people assume that an unknown player is raising preflop with AK, AQ. Therefore, when AAK board comes or AKK board comes, they're not willing to try to represent something against an unknown preflop raiser. I think a fold is most prudent here. Your friend just seems like a maniac.
Pokerdad2222
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 11:42 AM
I probably fold and let it go. If he is this agressive wiht these hands I will double through him soon enough. If you are going to play the hand though, I think you cant call here. You have to raise and most likely, raise all in.
milestodavid
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 11:47 AM
He just made a good play considering what you were holding. I woulda raised the flop if anything, gives you information, and if he's aggressive then he'll probably throw away his hand considering your preflop raise. If you are the tight player, sorry, you're the victim here.
Pokerdad2222
Wednesday, January 11th, 2006, 12:09 PM
QUOTE (milestodavid)
He just made a good play considering what you were holding. I woulda raised the flop if anything, gives you information, and if he's aggressive then he'll probably throw away his hand considering your preflop raise. If you are the tight player, sorry, you're the victim here.
You cant really raise for information here is the problem. Min raises suck so if he bets 600 (half the pot) like the op stated we need to raise it up to at least 1800 I think. Now we have 2400 of our original 3000 in the pot. We cant fold to a reraise after committing 80% of our stack. and getting about 7 or 8-1 on our last 600. Our options are really only fold or jam here the way I see it
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