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disctiger85
Bodog 2/4 NLHE (9-handed)

Ok, I'm new to the forums and have only been playing a year, so be nice. I had been sitting at a couple of tables for close to 2 hours and had just lost all of my profit in one hand so I was slightly steaming, thus the call UTG with such a mediocre hand at a full table.

disctiger $418
SB $283

disctiger is UTG+1 w/ K icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif. SB is competent, slightly LAG.

Pre-flop:
UTG folds, disctiger calls, BB checks

Flop ($20): 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, disctiger bets $15

Turn ($50): 3 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, disctiger bet $30

River ($110): T icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, disctiger bets $65....

So, I'm generally seen as TAG at pretty much any table I'm sitting in. People know I'm capable of folding a winning hand on the river if they bet big enough. I'm not sure if I should be sem-bluffing the flop and turn. On the river I thought I had K high with the busted flush draw so the $65 was what I thought to be a "stone-cold bluff". When he went all-in I figured him for a busted flush draw or 78x and I couldn't possibly call with K high. When I was about to fold I noticed I had made top pair on the river. In this instance I felt a set would've raised the turn and I had 78x and a busted flush draw beat. Basically, I'm just wondering if anybody in their right mind would call the SB's all-in on the river. Like I said, try to ignore the $65 bet on the river...I know I should've checked and showed down, but I thought I had K high and knew that wasn't going to be good enough. Advice?
DrawingDeadInDM
QUOTE (disctiger85)
Bodog 1/2 NLHE (9-handed)

Ok, I'm new to the forums and have only been playing a year, so be nice. I had been sitting at a couple of tables for close to 2 hours and had just lost all of my profit in one hand so I was slightly steaming, thus the call UTG with such a mediocre hand at a full table.


Welcome to the strat section, post often.

[quote]disctiger $418
SB $283

disctiger is UTG+1 w/ K icon_suit_heart.gif T icon_suit_heart.gif. SB is competent, slightly LAG.

Pre-flop:
UTG folds, disctiger calls

Here's your first mistake, in my opinion. Limping from that early of a position is almost always a mistake. You're out of position almost all of the time, you're likely going to get raised and you have no way of defining the hands behind you at all.

I'm pretty loose, so I likely raise this, but, I think most people will tell you to fold KTs from UTG+1.

[quote]Flop ($20): 8 icon_suit_heart.gif 3 icon_suit_diamond.gif 7 icon_suit_heart.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, disctiger bets $15

Good flop for us. Good bet. Be weary of the SB. He can have likely have two pair, or even be slow playing a set. Slow down after this smooth call--he's telling you he likely has part of this. You have position on him, use it to your advantage.

[quote]Turn ($50): 3 icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, disctiger bet $30

Meh..I'm not a fan of the turn bet. It's a little smallish. The SB could've very easily just filled up and we don't want to get check/raised here. I likely check behind.

[quote]River ($110): T icon_suit_club.gif (2 players)
SB checks, disctiger bets $65

Fold, fold, fold, fold.

You allready know that you should've checked behind, so I won't harp on that, but, do check behind here.

You're looking at a situation where this guy can be on a stone cold bluff (missed flush draw) or have the goods (the boat). Either way, you made this a difficult decision, ya know?

The key I want to point out is, do you see how differently this hand plays out if you check behind on the turn?

It's a smaller pot. You'll be facing a smaller bet on the river if he does decide to bet out, you're in no way shape or form pot-stuck if he pushes, if he checks again, you basically have control and can check behind or value bet.

You missed your chance to slow down on the turn, ya know? By betting that turn, you really made the river a much tougher decision.
Scott3705
You know the limp with kts was wrong so i won't say anything about that.

Flop: Good bet. I like it.

turn: hmmm... if we're going to bet here, bet $40. Me, I'm close to taking the free card here against two random cards that the SB will have. If this were a raised pot and I had position, i will continue to fire here. The problem here is that the SB has not had to define his hand and could have gotten into this pot w/ 78, 37. so raise is alright, but against two randoms, eh take the free card.

River: Check check check check. You may have sucked out here, in which case you're getting the pot. Dont' even think about calling the C/R. Good for him though if he was on the flush draw.

Finally, good for you for using the converter. A lot of people who post here all the time don't use it and i have a small stroke trying to read the raw hand output.

:clap:
Pokerdad2222
I think Drawingdead and Scotty pretty much summed it up.

I dont really like the preflop call utg wiht this hand. Either fold or come in with a raise. I try to limp in as little as possible in early position.

Flop: No harm in taking a stab at it here.

Turn: Check behind. Villian called making a statement that he has something. We still have the hearts and possible over cards.

River: If I have nothing at all I may take a stab at this and then fold to a c/r. Only if I feel a bluff is the only way I can take this pot down here. Pay a little more attention and then when you know you hit top pair just check here for a chance at taking this down. I odnt really see any value in betting here. I doubt anything you have beat is calling and you leave yourself open to the c/r.

Also, welcome. listen to these posters around here. They no their stuff
CobaltBlue
QUOTE (Scott3705)
Finally, good for you for using the converter. A lot of people who post here all the time don't use it and i have a small stroke trying to read the raw hand output.

He didn't use a converter. He converted it manually (like I do), while using my posts as a template. :-)

(As far as I know, there isn't a Bodog converter.)

Thanks for being welcoming to my brother, guys.
Scott3705
QUOTE (CobaltBlue)
QUOTE (Scott3705)
Finally, good for you for using the converter. A lot of people who post here all the time don't use it and i have a small stroke trying to read the raw hand output.

He didn't use a converter. He converted it manually (like I do), while using my posts as a template. :-)

(As far as I know, there isn't a Bodog converter.)

Thanks for being welcoming to my brother, guys.


Very nice.
iggymcfly
It's already been said, but you definitely have to fold on the river. I really don't see the river check-raise looking like a bluff in any way, shape, or form.

I can see you being mad that you didn't notice the ten and then calling in a desperate attempt to win the hand, but really, you're almost never ahead here. You're showing strength the whole way, so if you get check-raised all-in on the river, you're usually up against trips at the very minimum, and likely a full house.
krup24
Check that river and I can accpet the rest of the hand
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